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[Jury Nullification] is when the jury in a criminal trial gives a verdict of not guilty even though they think a defendant has broken the law. The jury's reasons may include the belief that the law itself is unjust

Until the wealthy and powerful are held to account, why punish your fellow everyday citizens? Use your brain. Decide if what they're charging people with is suppression or actually keeping society safe.

When those prosecutors start losing these cases, maybe they will start to rethink who they are focusing on.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

they choose jurors specifically that wont "jury nullification" i know quite a few people who were chosen on the basis: if you dont question thier authority(the ones choosing jurors), they love the pushovers, the retirees and govt workers, because they know they have nothing else to do".

other issues if the judges ego is not stroked: you're trying to get out of jury duty, they might force you to be on one regardless. i know subreddit and a forum that has a whole discussion around jury duty for each state/city. apparently some states are so desperate for jurors, they ignore most excuses.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you find yourself on jury duty in a very specific case (you know which one) you should know about this but pretend like you don't.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Conversely, it's a great way of getting out of jury duty if you mention it during jury pool selection in criminal cases - the prosecution will kick you out as quickly as possible. It's why I haven't served on a jury for over thirty years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Serving jury duty is an honor. Don't get out of it. The justice system sucks. Help it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

Lmfao. You don't beat the system by obeying the system. You burn it to the ground a build a new system, with hookers and blackjack.

"Seeing as your honor shows a 7, the prosecution will stand on 19."

defense also with 17 "Hit us, your honor"

judge throws down a 4, half the courtroom bursts into cheers and the other into tears

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

There's miscarriages of justice every day in this country. We need this attitude in cases where they're trying someone for no charge other than resisting arrest just as much as that specific case.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

in the courts thats true, like what is the circumstances of the accused, "the city targetting AA people preferentially and prosecuting them in quick sucession, like with luigi yes he isnt AA, but hes part of the class that challenged the ruling class. compared to a white person which they almost always become to careful not to charge them too quickly. in many cases the courts often try try to charge people on circumstantial evidence and eyewitness testimony.

[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 day ago (11 children)

But remember if you're on jury selection, you don't know what jury nullification is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

you can say you show bias towards the case, by citing any reasons, you will get strike from the juror pool most of the time .additionally, they dont even pay you well for your time, you can easily lose alot money a day for not working your job, in alot of places they can pay you a pittance of 5-15/day, in cali its 15 only a day. theres also the issue that your job will not look kindly for missing a lot of days.(despite what the law says the employee cant retaliate) they can do other things.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

You are meant to "nullify" silently.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Unpopular take but despite it being a popular thing, we want jury nullification to come from individual conclusions that this law does not apply despite the circumstances, and not because they know they can. Every study ever has shown that people who know about jury nullification tend to dismiss evidence more often, and are more easily deceived by a sympathetic/ non-sympathetic looking defendant. It's not even a law, it's the result of the fact juries can't be prosecuted for their decisions so really they can do whatever they want. This is enough to know that technically you can "nullify the law". That goes both ways, people can convict without evidence

Saying the law doesn't actually apply despite the person having done the thing the law says not to do is very different from saying the punishment should be nil. This could also keep you from ever serving on a jury and telling others about this in certain circumstances could be a crime. All the legal minds who looked into this agree it should still remain a thing, but it shouldn't be told to jurors explicitly. When you serve you swear to uphold the law, so it's tricky to nullify without ~~purgery~~ perjury except for very very special cases.

This is not a good YSK, you should understand what the law is as a juror. You could in theory reword this entire post without actually using the term and that would probably be helpful, but super complicated to write.

Esit: I'm team Luigi (in mario kart of course)

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I disagree, we also want people to nullify laws that are unjust, such as prosecuting a woman who decides to have an abortion. This is one of the means the people retain to fight tyranny.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

That goes both ways, people can convict without evidence

The guilty form of nullification is much weaker. A judge can overrule the jury. The case could be appealed.

In contrast, a non-guilty verdict is final, there is no way overturn it and there is no appeals.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

That goes both ways, people can convict without evidence

There's a fail safe for this, a judge can override a juries guilty vote but not a ruling of innocence.

Still, not ideal because it comes down to one person not agreeing with the jury, but at least there is some protection

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

so it’s tricky to nullify without purgery except for very very special cases.

Assuming you meant perjury, it is not tricky in the slightest. You vote your conscience and don't say something stupid like "I lied during voire dire, nyah ah ahhh!".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

we want jury nullification to come from individual conclusions that this law does not apply despite the circumstances, and not because they know they can.

There is an ongoing shift towards fascism, and at least for now the courts still have power over whether or not people get to walk free.

So there is more to it than your letting on. We're gonna see cases of people who have done illegal things because the fascists in power decided to make existence defacto illegal for people.

An example of this is the bans on transgender people from using bathrooms other than their assigned sex. If I'm ever a juror on a case like that, I'm fucking voting not guilty, and everybody else should too.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's also worth knowing how to do it, as it isn't exactly straightforward.

https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf

If make it known that you know about it, or you are intentionally doing it, you could face legal issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

they can threaten you, but they cant force you to choose a verdict other than what the prosecutors want, which is choosing not-guilty in despite of the evidence.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

this is in light of Luigi Mangione's recent court appearance isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope.

You should be applying this to all juries you serve on. Accept those summonses. Get on those juries and use your brains.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The President has unlimited pardon powers, and so do juries.

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