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The intent sounds fine, but as @[email protected] points out, it offloads the actual responsibility of filtering on MusicBrainz and WikiData.

It's not hard to imagine MusicBrainz being flooded by users trying to circumvent bans by editing tags. Or incorrectly tagging bands they don't like or agree with to get them banned.

Funkwhale probably isn't big enough in itself to make a huge splash, but this proposed ban does add another target to the extreme right's hit list. It seems a little iffy to me to make an open project like MusicBrainz that target?

[from the original announcement]

If you are a liberal or if you want to have fun, have a look at "Aamer Rahman: Is it really ok to punch nazis?" :)

haha, nice. And this makes the Funkwhale announcement author's position clear: combating fascism is more important than defending lofty ideals, like their liberties. They treat Funkwhale as a community, not merely a tool.

Some of the points Sean brings up may be reasonable critiques, I don't know enough about music tagging to know how easy or hard MusicBrainz is to use, and there is also the question about what if a formerly RW artist reforms (many, many have deradicalized or left the movement, fun fact: this is an important source of antifascist intel). I know about a dozen artists who, as teenagers, were in edgy right-wing circles and echoed that in their works, and are now very far away from that and regretful, but if they hadn't taken up new aliases, they'd probably be lumped in with their unwelcome past works. So I do see merit in the complaint about that project lead failing to implement a way to handle special cases.

With all that said, I'm definitely in support of this move. I just hope they implement and improve it well - that will make or break it.

This reminds me of Mastodon (like Sean mentioned in the article) and Lemmy. I'm not experienced with Mastodon, but I am aware of how they reacted to Gab (formerly a Mastodon instance, before getting bullied by almost everyone), and how most of Lemmy divorced Wolfballs (run by a US-Libertarian, think 🧊🍑 + antivax, but soon populated by white supremacists and neo-nazis; eventually shut down, among other reasons, when the admin realized the Nazis on their instance weren't just pretending for a laugh and that many were commercial bots. Probably didn't help that their admin had a non-white partner and jewish friends) and exploding-heads.

These are examples when a FOSS tool takes a community stance, rather than an idealistic liberalist freedom-above-all stance.

Sounds like a fantastic plan.

The handwringing about if we're being nice enough to the alt right is directly contributing to why we have so much mess we're now having to deal with. The approach seems sane to find music that's very specifically nazi rock, so they're being extremely limited in response, imo.

Screw em, kick them out of anywhere you find them, and then nail the door they used to get in shut.

They have benefitted from and encouraged 'but if you do that you're no diffrent from-' spinelessness.

Their entire gameplan has been to whine and sob and play victim while demanding 'we' march to where they are, while they take two more steps back and whine and sob more at how we're extremists.

So. Fuck 'em.

Their 'compromise' is 'we give them everything, and get nothing in return.'

Show them that they are not welcome or wanted.

I fail to see how it's even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms' FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.

Maybe Im off base here but I'd say like 10% of music leans right of center?

This idea sounds dumb. Just don't listen to kid rock or ted Nugent, or most country, and you're basically all set.

Then there's like 3 bands per genre that are dog whistlers or overtly shitty humans.

Done?

Somewhat off topic but I was totally convinced that Funkwhale had died so I ditched my pod and moved to Navidrome, I wasn't using federation so I wasn't really the intended audience. I'm glad they are still going though. But personally I've had a better experience with Navidrome with Feishin as a player.

While that is funny and certainly deserved. Normally I would say that its not their place to decide that but fuck right wingers they deserve to be purged out of every single space they have.

Ever heard the saying, „Your freedom ends where someone else’s begins“?

Exactly. Don’t give them a platform

Why is the right wing here,the fediverse is a socialist communist ass concept, so against capatilism born out as an indrect response to how republicans have led america

What exactly is funkwhale? It looks like a federated music platform of some sort?

Just ban country music and you've covered like 80% of it.

If only funkwhale wasn't such a royal pain in the ass.