This was how I felt when the post about the PS2 turning 25 came by a few days ago. What the fuck happened.
Why is everything worse now lol
this post was submitted on 11 Mar 2025
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It was the Gamecube for me. I was like, "How the hell can a recent game like Metroid Prime be 'retro'?" and then I realized if the game was a person It'd be old enough to drink... and then it got a remaster right after that realization.
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About as old as NES on the Wii
In my opinion, retro games/consoles are a lot like vintage cars. It doesn't matter how much time has passed because it's not about their age, it's about the era they came from.
In the case of vintage cars, it's any car manufactured prior to 1930. In the case of retro game consoles I'd say it's anything prior to 1994.
Edit: typo. 1995 should have been 1994. The launch year of the PS1 and the founding year of the ESRB.
That's a surprisingly narrow definition.
So do you look at something like a Studebaker Commander Coupe and go "well obviously that's modern"?
No, definitely not modern, possibly a classic, though that term has some additional qualifications, so I'm not sure.
But 1930 is chosen and is generally recognized as the cutoff for vintage cars by most collectors clubs and organizations, because that year marked a major industry wide shift, for consumers, manufacturers, and regulation, and while there have been relatively minor shifts in the industry, not much has really changed since.
Similarly, 1994 (made a typo above) marked a similar transition, the PS1 was released that year, marking a shift to 3D graphics, the ESRB was established in the US, and consumer adoption reached a point where you could finally say video gaming was here to stay. And just like with the automotive industry in 1930, things in gaming shifted from a period of rapid experimentation, innovation, and regulation to a period of slow, gradual improvement along the lines established by the fifth generation of consoles in 1994.
1930 is chosen and is generally recognized as the cutoff for vintage cars
By who? I'm a big car guy and have never heard someone say a car has to be near 100 years old to be vintage. Most laws here in the states say 30. This is the only real source I could find that agrees with you but then it goes on to disagree with itself so idk.
Personally, I'd say "vintage" is 1950s and into the 1960s. I would say the C1 Corvette is "vintage", but the C2 is "classic".
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I’m with you, retro is when they were still counting bits
And it never got cool super-computer action like N64 from 2015 Fantastic Four even.....lol.
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This hurts me. I have vivid memories of playing Halo 3 and Hexic back when I was in middle school.
First time?
Halo (combat evolved) came out when I was a junior in highschool.
Before that, it was GoldenEye and then Perfect Dark.
And I even got to play some Timesplitters at PS2 launch because the rich kid got the multitap and extra controllers.
Heck, we're (significantly) farther away from the CE anniversary launch than it was from the original.
When your fact about CE Anniversary hit for OoT and OoT3D, I felt crippled.
I would say "no" because the 360 did have the capability of 720p and 1080p. There isn't much you have to do to get it working with a modern television.
That's not the case with a TRULY retro console, either in terms of resolution or connectivity.
Another way to differentiate would be things like rendering technology. While raytracing is starting to be partially utilized a little bit, I'd hardly say it's taken over yet, so there's not much technological difference between a 360 and a PS5. Mostly boils down to more cores and faster with some minor extra features. Far more difference between even the SNES and the N64 than between the PS1 and the PS5 imo.
You could also use Internet access as a determinant, but then even snes and Sega Genesis wouldn't be retro (at least in Japan).
Could just define retros as anything that fits at least one or 2 of those 4 characteristics of retro video game consoles, but the xbox360 is pretty much modern by all of them.
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