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[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

OK, those are the solutions for people living in a city center. Commutes are short enough to walk or bike, and for longer trips, there is a bus or tram every five minutes. Got it.

And what would be the solution for those people living outside the city centers? Biking from here to the city is 20km, nearly an hour downhill towards the city, but at least one and a half back up. Busses go every hour, but only Mo-Fr during the core hours. In the evening or on weekends, bus traffic is spotty, to say the least. And Trams, well, we don't do trams or trains in the country.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Design better cities. End sprawl.

But it's probably too late for cities already designed to be suburban hell to make any changes that dont involve redesigning and tearing up half the city. I mean, its possible but unlikely in north america at least

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

You have to differenciate between sprawl and people living outside the city basically forever. Remember: cities are the new things, not the other way round.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 44 minutes ago

Cities are centuries older than cars though. Cars are the new thing. And yet it's true that cars are an obvious QoL improvement for anyone in a rural area, and no reasonable person is suggesting that people in rural areas shouldn't drive cars.

The real issue is that Americans (among others) have decided they want all the convenience and amenities of living in a city (sewer, water, energy, convenient access to most goods and services, etc.), but they want to pretend they live in a rural area, with no density whatsoever. This has resulted in the suburban sprawl that is financially ruinous and requires cars to be able to go anywhere and do anything, which creates traffic, which we solve by building bigger roads and pushing things farther apart, creating more traffic.

Thus, the answer really is that if you want city amenities, you need to live in a city. It doesn't have to be as dense as New York. Not Just Bikes just posted a great video about the smallish town of Bergen in Norway that is not a super dense urban hellscape, it is medium density with human-centric development.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Nobody is suggesting people in rural areas to live without a car.

Fuck cars is about eliminating car dependency in cities. Actually, forget eliminating car dependency. I'd be happy if we could stop this silly car size arms race and ban these huge pickup trucks and SUVs in cities

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
  • Live somewhere that doing so is viable.
[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
  • Be able to afford to live somewhere dense enough.
[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I became much richer when i moved into the city and sold my car.

Cars are a drain on your money, time, and mental health

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

I spent enough money to buy a house in 15 years of rent in the nearest city.

I rode a bike and subway mostly of that time until we got fed up giving landlords all our savings and bought a car and moved to the country to start a family.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

Here's a convenient list of affordable cities in the US.

https://youtu.be/IKxR06isoLU

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago

So it's bike, bus, train and walk. I mean, yeah.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Step 5: Get hit by a car while on your bike and wind up with lifelong injuries because your city does not have bike-friendly infrastructure and riding on major roads is essentially a death wish.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

Lol, you think horrific injury with permanent loss of limbs stops north americans from driving?