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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago (1 children)

For someone outside the American tax system, can anyone put the difference in approximate numbers?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

That one dollar in the 33% bracket has .33 in taxes instead of .28. So their obligation goes up .05 per every dollar in the 33% tax bracket.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

This belief is held by many older folks due to propoganda, and it is passed down to their children when their parents teach them about taxes. Since almost all younger folks use automated tax services, if they aren't doing the math themselves, the fact that this isn't true isn't going to be discovered. I was taught the incorrect way when I was a kid, but noticed that it was wrong the first time I had to do my own taxes. But when I told my parents the way it actually worked, they didn't believe me until I showed them the .gov site that breaks it down. I grew up in a small, blue collar town, and every single person I talked to about taxes parroted the same incorrect system.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

This is the problem. My partner doesn’t want to work OT because he thinks it will cost him more in taxes. I explain why that’s not exactly true, but I can tell he’s not interested. Financial Literacy in the US is abysmal.

[–] sloppychops 2 points 27 minutes ago

This is not a US specific issue, tbh. I've heard this weird belief repeated by all sorts of people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

"you can't make less money by making more money"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

Unless you're poor enough to be on welfare. The Welfare Cliff is awful.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Your partner is a moron who doesn't understand relatively simple math.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There’s not enough information provided to reach this conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There is very much enough information given to reach that conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

No, there is not. There are many tax credits one is no longer eligible for after a certain threshold. There are various programs one is no longer eligible for after a certain threshold.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

Run, if it's not too late.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Oddly enough it kinda does. OT can make you pay out more taxes on that one check since withholdings are calculated by check. Basically the government/payroll system thinks you're going to be making that every week so more taxes will be taken out.

In reality this only effects the size of your tax bill or return at the end of the year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No, they teach you this in high school. These people are just dumbasses

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes, everyone’s education is the same as yours.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 hours ago

And they'll also refuse to believe you when you try to explain it to them

[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

try telling this to people who think government agencies pay taxes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

One of those rage bait YouTube channels had a young person who made that claim in a debate. Pictured is Sam Seder who was the debate opponent. He made this face at the camera.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That dude would have been hilarious if he wasn't really so delusional. Not Sam, he was great. The dude that was convinced that government agencies get tax breaks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Sam is the GOAT

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

I used to be a supervisor at a psych hospital and had to regularly explain this to staff who were refusing overtime. They wanted to do it, sometimes desperately so because they needed the money, but they were utterly convinced that once they crossed 40 or 45k or whatever they would be taxed higher and make it all pointless. I felt like some just didn’t want to do ot, which was fine, but some legit keep meticulous records of their earnings to ensure they wouldn’t go over the line. I swore to them it didn’t work this way but they never believed me

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Seen the same bullshit when I worked retail. Nothing will convince them.

It's easier to trick someone than it is to convince them they're wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder how different the planet would be if boomers had just been taught, from an early age, that it's OK to be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I remember my mom saying something like "don't believe what you see on tv and only half of what you read." Yet here we are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 44 minutes ago

My mom told me "these white people will never see you as an American"

Now she's blaming democrats for "Migrant crisis"

🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yeah, I remember my parents teaching me a whole lot of shit that Fox News would call "woke" today. I'm just thankful that I grew up when I did, because if it were now I'd probably have died of measles.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Should print out a poster infographic explaining progressive taxation and put it up on the wall in the break room

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

This infographic is kinda bad and would not convince someone who doesn't know how it works at all

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

But you have to keep it going to highlight how much wealthier people pay (although that’s tougher since their income is not “income”). Maybe throw in a few examples of the wealthiest Americans and wha recent age they pay, to not only clarify it, but retarget their anger where it belongs

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 hours ago

Yeah I am pretty sure they wouldn't understand this either

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

We covered how taxes are calculated at school, it isn't very complicated. Yet SO MANY people insist they end up getting paid more it made me question myself for a while.

Although sometimes the removal of certain benefits does mean people can be worse off for £1 extra. Which if anything is just a sign that the benefits were poorly thought out and should taper off instead of being a hard limit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 32 minutes ago

There is probably sticker shock involved. Someone who gets a raise will see a new amount of taxes witheld and may be upset. It could even be they didn't know what the amount taken out before taxes was.

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