I hope those two start taking more young actually left leaning politicians (or even would-be politicians) under their wing and publicly endorsing them.
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A party that fights at all would be a good start.
Right? I'd even settle for a party that has the most basic desire to fight at this point.
The Democrats need to dump their old shitty politicians. I would vote for AOC if she decided to run for president.
The people need to save this country. Yes that means you and me actually going outside. We need to stop expecting systemic change to come from politicians within a two-party system.
But what if it inconveniences me even slightly?
Shit, forgot about that. We had a good run, fellas. Crash it up, and let's pick a different seed for next run.
Exactly, the country is what we make it, that's what a democracy is. If we do nothing, evil will do something.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
I would love to see AOC and Bernie attempt to bring back the American labor party
This is the answer. Dems are compromised. A new party is needed.
Then separate yourselves from the dems and create your own party. We will follow.
Rather than try to start a new party, it's easier and more efficient for the left and progressives to take control of the Democratic party and make it their own (can rename it later). Just like the right took over the Repub party.
The time is ripe for it -- yes, a bit too ripe, maybe even too late, but unfortunately that's how it works with humans--it takes things to get to extremely dire circumstances where all could be lost for the general population to be jolted out of complacency and finally take action.
BUT the other thing we need is someone with charisma and a certain personality type to emerge and lead, because most humans need to be led like sheep.
Except that was the whole idea with the Justice Democrats, that got AOC elected in the first place. Remember when she protested outside of Pelosi's office? Seen any of that lately? Remember when she cried on the House floor? That strategy hasn't worked. As soon as AOC got in, she got eaten by the party. I think advocates of the "take over the Dem party" strategy underestimate the enormous institutional pressure party members come under when they enter that bubble.
This is exactly right. I don’t think AOC has compromised as much as we think she has, but the institutional power is very real. I remember what things were like in 2016 too. They fought against Bernie’s influence at every step, and colluded to get their favorite candidate elected.
All we have to do is look at the most recent Third Way strategy document to understand. The right wing Democrats (“centrists”) would rather lose to Donald Trump with Harris than win with Sanders or any halfway progressive. It’s just a huge obstacle and if we do try to fix the party, we need to dislodge ALL of the entrenched right wing elements.
Would it be easier and more efficient?
You'd have to scrap the entire party. Pretty much every candidate, every analyst and advisor. They won't oppose the republicans, but they'll for sure oppose that.
I don't see it happening, I keep hearing the dems wanting to double down.
What will happen is they'll go "we tried to be more like the republicans but people voted republican. So we need to be even more like the republicans" and eventually they'll win because the republicans do so much damage and they'll say "we won by being more republican" and then they'll pass the power back over. You need a real opposition party.
Luigi for President
Left founded the Labour Party in UK, was excluded by Centrists for most of last century, has never been able to gain political control for pushing radical change since 1945. If you try to make Dems your vehicle, it will destroy you before you reform it. Your plan is a false hope, I'm sorry to say.
I think it makes more sense to found your own political movement. That matters more than parties. Especially in an emergency when what matters is survival not manifesto promises or campaigns for elections that, realistically given Trump's lawlessness and declared intention to reign as monarch and founder of a dynasty, might never happen.
Feed, house, heal each other - Americans already do that, just look at community responses to recent natural disasters like California fires - 'ordinary people' can help each other and often do so better than the government. This is a crisis for USA but also an opportunity for citizens to make an alternative society, invent new ways of working, new ways of meeting needs, inspiring creativity and innovation, creating an economy that really takes care of people instead of making some creep more wealth than he could ever use in a hundred lifetimes. Do for yourselves what the state has failed to do. Build another nation inside the dead carcass of corporate America. Be ready to take over when Trump's coup and the fantasy of representative democracy finally dies. Emerge as a radically different society.
There's no point trying to reanimate the old America when it brought you to this crisis and would do so again in future you ever let it. You need your own Plan 2025. I used to think like you, now I think anarchy is probably the best strategy. Do not gift your power to others, least of all charismatic leaders or political parties dominated by careerists, lobbyists, and corruption. When in crisis, do not carry on as normal. In crisis the best hope of survival is to do something radically different. Science shows, 80% of people cannot recognise a crisis and cannot innovate. You must be in the 20%. Cultivate boldness!
Too bad the rest of the Democrats can't hear them with all that money stuffed in their ears.
Dems are the establishment, both parties are full of old pieces of shit I think Bernie is the only decent one and he's promoting stuff that we have in Europe and is basic for a rich western democracy.
Nothing is gonna change unless people start rioting and protesting in the streets like the fucking French do, go set a few precints on fire and the ruling noble class will notice you once you kick a few of their loyal uniformed dogs
We in Europe won’t have that stuff for long if people keep voting these fascists adjacent parties into power.
Gonna be honest, wasn’t a huge fan of AOC a couple years ago. Glad to see her being the one person out there with Bernie trying to keep it real. Hell yeah
They should make their own party with blackjack and hookers. A third party that isn't sleepwalking like the democrats could actually win in this shitshow
Democrats fight like hell all the time except when they're in office.
That will never be the democratic party. We need a new party, not a new democrat to save us.
The Dems need to do a lot of things. I don't really believe it's possible.
For one, if they continue to be owned by corporations, then no change will happen.
If We The People don't actually have a say in party nominees, no change will happen.
If they keep bending over to "cross the aisle", no change will happen. Stop trying to be the "good guy" and fucking fight for the party platform.
And that platform needs to shift away from the wants of rich liberals. Progressives need a voice.
Dems are just a bunch of empty chairs.
Sucks, but it's also an opportunity. Plenty of space for progressives to move in and take over.
We need a democratic party that fights ... just that .. that will do something besides just expose their belly.