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Sovcit thinks a birth certificate is a contract. (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The birth certificate being a contract is actually a pretty core SovCit belief that almost all of them will have in some form.

The idea is that your birth certificate is the thing that officially registers 'you' to the... basically they think that the government is actually fake and has been a corporation, after a totally historically covered up total bankruptcy of the US that ended with the entire country effectively being placed into recievership... though when and how this event occured varies: either after the Civil War, or when the Income Tax or Federal Reserve became a thing, or the Great Depression...

Either way, yeah, the birth certificate is what they believe registers you as an entity that is subject to laws, taxes, debt, etc, which all stems from the 'fake USA corporation' idea, so the bankrupt US can keep paying off all of the debt it owes to this 'psuedo US government but actually its a recivership legal entity' thing... and then almost all the rest of their nonsense legal theories revolve around 'weird legal tricks' that circumvent all 'fake' laws passed by the 'fake USA corporation' and go directly to pre-existing laws / legal norms from before the 'fake US government' took over.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for explaining this. I've been aware of sovcits for quite a while now, but I never understood the foundation of their beliefs until your explanation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Its kind of like QAnon in that there are many different specific conspiracy theory elements that can get plugged in together, or rejected... but yeah, this is basically the core that underlies most SovCit stuff in the US.

There are some smaller subsets that... do fall into the SovCit category, but don't rely on this kind of 'backbone', and have a different 'backbone' that a bunch of other similar SovCit style ideas get plugged into...

... and the non US SovCits may be a directly related evolution of this kind of 'backbone' idea that relies on it, or it may be some similar kind of logic that invents a new 'backbone' for a different country that does not rely on this 'backbone' US centric theory...

... And then also, a whole lot of SovCits ... somewhat ironically, don't actually go deep enough down the rabbit hole to understand this 'backbone' theory, and just believe in the surface level 'magic legal tricks', and don't really understand why they 'should' even work.

munecat has a pretty good, 2 ish hour long video that can give you a decent grasp of how this nonsense works.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

...soooounds a lot like some religions. A lot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I am very much of the opinion that a sufficiently complex and fervently held set of delusions is a religion, and visa versa.

The way these people act is very, very similar to how religious extremists act, in many, many ways.

Indeed, QAnon literally did merge with extreme rightwing Christians who convinced themselves they were actually modern day prophets, capable of magic (remember the crazy lady that yelled and shook a stick at a hurricane a few years ago, to send it away? QAnon prophetess), that they are literally waging a war against literal demons and demon possesed people, that Trump is literally a kind of messiah who is paving the way for Christ to return.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love how everything is a contract or a trust with these people. It's like jurisprudence fan fiction.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I kind of want to find one of these people and go to shake their hand to say hi.

Will they shake my hand?

What if while shaking I speak like one of those narrators in drug commercials and say “by shaking my hand you agree to give me all of your income past and present”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"aww, crap, you got me! Well, go on, take it "

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hahaha, sucker! They didn't shake on a 45 degree angle!

[–] msfroh 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Huh... That sounds like the 16th century anabaptist argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptism). This is almost a coherent argument from the sovcits.

Almost.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

it would be a sound argument if birth certificate was a form or a contract, but it's not. It is a record.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Exactly what I was going to say; it's not a contract, it's a record. Even if it were a contract it's not being signed by a baby, it's being signed by the relevant responsible adult(s).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's unconscionable is the same as it's unconstitutional.
--sovcit