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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As predicted.... And people piled on me here when I question why they were falling head over heels over bluesky when it was yet another techo bro platform

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought about it but lemmy seems more genuine.

No karma. No nothing. Just info.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This was more a Twitter vs BlueSky comparison... not against Lemmy, not sure I understand your comment

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I noped out the second I heard Dorsey was involved. Don't care he isn't anymore, it got the Techbro ick! Eurgh 🤢

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

I've given up trying to save people from obvious traps. They refuse to listen and they refuse all data.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 days ago (14 children)

This has absolutely nothing to do with enshittification. Bluesky doesn't need that redirect to know what you're clicking on. You're already on their platform, they can already track every single click that you do while on Bluesky including navigating to outbound links. I'm a bit shocked that nobody here is calling that out to be honest

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

What is wrong wth a fucking discount code to show where you hot the referral.

I refuse all cookies everywhere and the internet works just fine.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is not enshittification. Many other knowledgeable users who actually know what they're talking about have explained why.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

It's not exactly enshittification yet. The service still mostly works. But it is an attempt to build a wall around the garden.

Fuck walled gardens. That shit got old years ago. At least with FB you could pretend you didn't expect it. Maybe. If you're oblivious, at least.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (11 children)

There is a legitimate reason for this: it’s the only way to provide content creators with evidence of how many people actually clicked on the link.

The downside is that there is so many ways that a feature like this can be abused by BlueSky in ways that can hurt users.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No, it's not the only way. You could track the click with JavaScript.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do content creators need to see how many clicks they get?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's how a number of them get paid.

[–] tempest 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think I would like to go back to social media before people were getting paid for it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I would like to go back to the 90s and 00s where the internet wasn't being monetised at every fucking opportunity.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

There is no way it isn't already being abused, there are zero guard rails on it

Fucking typical, a move that hurts the platform long-term is being cheered for by ignorant idealists while the makers of its demise are already salivating and cartoonishly rubbing their hands in glee

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

The content creators themselves could use a link that goes through a counter if they really need it, no?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it's literally the second step of enshittification, where platforms stop allocating value to users and start allocating them to publishers. This is still Bluesky expanding out its surveillance apparatus, something it will have every incentive to abuse later on like other platforms before it.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

For reference you can disable this with unlock origin https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/pull/27500

[–] [email protected] 162 points 4 days ago

Glad to be a citizen of the chadiverse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah, this is why BlueSky's openness is always only to a point. I will say it's probably not as bad as some are making it out to be, but it's definitely not something you want to see from a platform purporting to be open. Fortunately this is only a BlueSky thing and not the entire AT Protocol... but at this point, the AT Protocol and BlueSky are inseperable. I mean, are there even any other AT Protocol sites?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Bluesky has been doing enshitification since it didn’t mind having that transphobic man on their platform, as far as I’m concerned.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

This doesn't even make sense.

If you are on their domain they can see the things you click on, this is how websites and cookies work.

This isn't nefarious, it's the raving delusions of a tech illiterate idiot.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (11 children)

No.

You can see a link was loaded in the page. Link tracking is still needed to know if the link was clicked.

It can be an "on click" JavaScript event, or a redirect to a tracking site.

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

So much for the claims I read that it would be a more open platform. I can’t see how this possibly benefits the users.

The product is ~~not open source and it~~ is mainly controlled by a company through its servers and proprietary components. They own it. Even if they use some open protocols. They are about as open as OpenAI — they are not.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 days ago (18 children)

This is technically incorrect (the best kind of incorrect?). Bluesky is open source, with the exception of the discover feed algorithm, which they claim must remain secret to prevent it being manipulated. There are open-source replacements for that feed available, so it's open enough that it is theoretically possible to spin up a Bluesky replacement, albeit impossibly expensive.

Coming at it from another angle though, the product in any commercial social media product is you, so in that sense you're right: the product is not open source. Either way, open source code is not some panacea that erases all risk of commodifying its users. Bluesky is a great example because while it is open source, that in absolutely no way prevents them from tracking their users.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

fuck it's almost like the world runs on capitalism

[–] Ironfist 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, we need to do something about that.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Anything under direct corporate control will enshittify. It has nothing to do with mission, values, direction, purpose, or any other bullshit in the charter of a service. If it is controlled by an entity with shareholders turning a profit, it will enshittify, because those shareholders will demand ever increasing profit for their investments. It is a one-way process.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 4 days ago (9 children)

They already know your IP address, you're using their website/app.

It's either to track outbound clicks (And potentially block them if they're harmful, YouTube and Steam do that), or a much more unlikely option is to hide the referrer from the target site (Since browsers have better ways to handle that now, but old ones don't)

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[–] Mohamed 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even if it didn't go to bluesky.app first before the actual link, clicks on it can still be made to be tracked. It's trivial to do it much more discreetly.

It is definitely tracked, but I would guess that turning it into a bluesky link has other uses, not all nefarious, such as: link previews, caching, dealing with dead links.

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[–] Perhapsjustsniffit 86 points 4 days ago

Didn't take long for the expected to happen.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Never follow social media to a second location.

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[–] BlackSheep 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I use duckduckgo. It shows the sites I’ve visited, and tracking attempts. And, yes, there are tracking attempts from bluesky. There are no tracking attempts from lemmy.ca

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How is this enshittification? As far as an end user is aware nothing has changed right?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

As someone who ran a popular link shortening platform let me tell you how difficult it is to curtail spam links.

This is likely a way to warn users before being forwarded to fraudulent websites that a link has been marked as spam.

There are many other use cases for this redirect as well but this is the most obvious for user safety.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I, for one, am shocked that moving from one corporate owned social media to another corporate owned social media didn't fundamentally change anything.

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