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[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This has the stench of junior engineer all over it. This rewrite will go way over budget and come limping across the finish line late, with more bugs and less features than the system it replaces. I guarantee it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

1000% percent. If they can't even figure out how dates work in COBOL we are getting a vibe coded SSA. Let's hope they trained LLMs on COBOL or we are cooked.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 6 days ago (6 children)

"ROFL"

Signed, everyone who has been involved in migrating a codebase before.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Yep, months is a joke, doubly so when talking about tens of millions of lines of code and also COBOL specifically.

This is going to be a hilarious disaster but not so hilarious when people who need the benefits need them and won't be able to get them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I'm on SSDI (and Medicaid and HUD housing) and have been having insane anxiety the last month and a half to the point that I'm wondering if I'll even get paid in April. I regularly check my SSA account online to make sure my direct deposit is still freaking scheduled. Missing a payment could mess up all of my other benefits as well.

I know the fuck up is coming, but I don't know if I can handle another few months hoping they don't fuck up the migration if they don't fuck up just paying people first with all that's been going on.

I'm pretty sure Im not the only one in this situation who can't handle the stress of this bullshit.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Okay but have you ever tried just throwing genAI at the problem and not caring about the consequences?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

With Grok looking more and more like the only one working for Musk with enough (digital) balls to stand up to his boss, that might be better than the alternative of "Big Balls" and the rest of the Digital Oblivous Goons of Elon

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

I mean this is a great example of what happens when you put conservative men in power who think they know what they are doing but are just going to loudly, incompetently and incorrectly re-invent the wheel while everyone else suffers from not having an actual practical solution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

By rebuild I don't think they mean it's going to function the same. ...just torn apart and replaced.

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[–] skozzii 8 points 6 days ago

They have an experienced team of teenagers don't worry.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I've worked on teams converting legacy code for most of my life. The planning for something like this would take longer than six months.

If this proceeds in Trump's corrupt government, Elon will get the contract, will claim it is too broken to salvage, and will privatize it. The only way this goes anywhere is if Trump and musk stand to gain money, and they stand to gain a lot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If they planned a 1 month migration of a small component, 6 months to complete would be pretty lucky imo. Refactoring Legacy Code mentions the 2.0 approach they're taking. Spoiler alert, it doesn't work...

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago (6 children)

This is like a new programmer coming in to their new job, seeing the code isn't perfect and saying they could rebuild the entire thing and do it better in a month.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's not a case of "seeing the code isn't perfect" but rather, not understanding the myriad problems the code is solving or mitigating.

I'm reminded of this shitshow:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Queensland_Health_payroll_system_implementation

Queensland is a state of about 3m people in Australia. Their health service employs about 100k people. They ended up spending about 900m USD to develop their payroll software and fix the fuck ups it caused.

I'm an accountant by trade, there's a classic "techbro does accounting" style of development we see a lot. Like if you hadn't spent a career learning how complex accounting can be, it would be easy to look at a payroll system and conclude "it's just a database with some rules".

[–] DrainKikoLake 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] morbidcactus 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I've always known your world is complex, working closely with accountants and actuaries the last 4 years doing data applications further confirmed that, there's some legitimately complex math that shows up, and it's a lot of work to model that correctly.

"It's just a ..." Is a redflag to me, project's going to be a gongshow.

I find that mentality of not trying to understand the problem and its context totally counter to the engineering method.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

I'm sure the doge boys are expert grock vibe coders, it will be fine, they've got big ballz on the team, what could possibly go wrong? /s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

I did such a thing, but I had a big advantage: the codebase had been done by people who had never really learned to code, and I was a seasoned programmer with 20 years of experience.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

They're really playing with fire here.

So many MAGA supporters are seniors who are entirely dependent on OASDI. If Trump's minions break this, we're going to see torches and pitchforks strapped to electric scooters and golf carts coming out of Florida retirement communities in droves.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

No they’d just blame the liberals and maintain 100% loyalty lol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nah, they'll just say the Democrats are still worse because reasons

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

The reason is that it takes a lot of emotional intelligence and strength to admit that you have been scammed. These people will find it less emotionally painful to deny reality then admit their mistakes.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"…but sir, we only know Node.js…"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Musk would probably think that's just fine.

Server-side javascript is an abomination, but there's more of it around than you might think.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Gonna blow up the database as many times as they blow up SpaceX rockets.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

step 1. rewrite into spaghetti code

step 2. nobody understands the new code, so the govt has to contract elon musk for code maintenance forever

step 3. profit

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

In theory, it wouldn't be a necessarily bad idea to port the COBOL code to something more modern, but I cannot trust Muskrat and a few vibe coder youngsters with this task.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago

Bro. Check it out bro, we're gonna like make it this dope Electron app, bro. It'll interface with X, bro and everyone will have to login there to get their money, bro. Don't worry tho, you'll get paid in recession-proof Trumpbux crypto currency as long as you claim it in time. But X gets a fee of 60% bro.

Seriously bro we like hired a bunch of grads that took a one week X created code boot camp that like you know revolved around a language big balls created called "cyber coin purse++". On second thought bro we're rewriting it in that. Should be like 2 weeks to rewrite it cuz old people wrote the current code and they're like old or whatever bro. Like I live in an old person's basement and they're just like old, bro.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

In theory it is a horrible idea. No port like this ever works out. An incremental approach has much higher chance of success but will take long.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

in theory yeah it's not a bad idea but it's also 60 million lines of a cobol

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

As long as Big Ballz is running things, I’m sure it will all be fine!

/s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

if (!=white) {benefits=false}

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nah I think it will just be

const benefits = false;
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[–] OutlierBlue 14 points 6 days ago

I'm sure having a corrupt non-government narcissist rewrite the code for SS will be fine. It's not like he could leave any code hidden in there for his own purposes, like controlling or redirecting payments or anything.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

COBOL is perfectly suitable for financial purposes for which it was designed. The SSA code has gone through decades worth of changes and improvements that cannot be replicated even in 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

COBOL is perfectly suitable for financial purposes for which it was designed.

Nobody uses COBOL for greenfield projects, even in the banking and financial sectors. And, as people with COBOL expertise die of old age, it becomes increasingly unmaintainable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

I bet is cheaper to teach it to new programmers than to rewrite old software. Just because a language is old doesn’t mean it is unlearnable or that software written in it needs to be rewritten.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Is it a “risk” if it’s the desired outcome?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Hey asshole - it works - don't fix it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

The MuskRat should get Big Ballz and the boys to program a video game, so he can have a new revenue stream to replace Tesla when it goes bankrupt, which sure looks like the future of that company.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wont happen legacy systems more complicated than expected, well it wont happen functionally....

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