This wouid be my... Hmm... Third... I think...?... Once in a lifetime historical market crash. The 2008 one stole my teenage years.
You know, guys, I'm starting to get this strange feeling that our economic model doesn't really work.
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Infinite growth in a finite reality. Numbers go up up up but minerals and food don't exponentially grow, in fact they deplete.
Shareholder profit > sustained profit is what broke it.
There's nothing wrong with say, Mark Cubans drug store model of 15% capped profits. If it were publicly owned however it's legally liable to pump that up to infinity until the model breaks for shareholders to make quarterly gains. Short term thinking replaced long term strategy.
Even Costco knows you keep the $1.50 hot dog as a loss leader but if it were up to the ghouls in suits it would be $6.99 today and $7.99 tomorrow.
I don't think the issue is growth related, I think it's rather about more and more money going to the top 1%. And that issue is accelerated in USA due to badly regulated corporate capitalism. Greedy shareholders and short time thinking are signs of that, because they keep getting away with it. Looks like this isn't going to change until there is a massive crash..
Isn't that just the other side of the same coin?
It's the top 1% that is pushing for the short term gains... It's being accelerated because everyone else and their pension funds try to match or beat them at it...
The model everyone should want is unionized-cooperatives for every existing and new company
Sharing all the profits in the company for all companies
Also, for those companies to stay private and not go on stock market if they want to stay sustainable, & grow well
That's the biggest thing that would change alot of stuff
I certainly want it. As a matter of fact, as of yesterday, I'm now a co-representative of my workplace's union club. I wholeheartedly stand for unionised cooperatives.
Good on you!!! Hope you can inform more people about them too so they can make their own unionized-cooperarite in their own company, or a new company
That's part of the job. Though here in Denmark we have very strong union laws to begin with. However, my particular job has a lot of foreigners in it, from places like Bangladesh (a country with very poor worker's rights), so informing them about the strength of unity and solidarity has been very productive.
That's awesome, good on you all for helping other countries to have the same
Unfortunately, it seems we’re reaping what we sow by switching from Keynesian to Neoliberal economics. It was going ok when the demand side had money to spend. We’ve had several decades of paying for that now.
When the stocks are up, some guys can buy a new yacht, when the stock market tanks, poor people lose their jobs.
Don't worry people, the upside of tariffs and a world wide trade war will become clear any day now /s
Will this happen before or after the strategy that’s behind the tariffs finally becomes clear?
strategy
That's a wild assumption
We'll finally get back at all those free-riding penguins. They don't even have jobs!
Concerning.
We are witnessing history in the making, people! Keep documenting and writing it down, like the ancient greek historians. The US has radically changed under the new president Trump 2024 -> 2025 and we will need to study the effects on our world and global economy closely. Historic times indeed.
I'm getting really fucking tired of living in interesting times. I've lived through 9/11, the 2008 crash, a first Trump term through COVID-19, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and now a second Trump term through another financial crisis.
Give me a fucking break.
I just want some fucking boring times, is that really so much to ask for? Just a time where people mind their own fucking business and rich cunts don't try to destroy the peace? I've never heard about an economic crash or a war started by a poor person. Hang any motherfucker who hoards wealth. Start from the top, and stop when people are no longer starving in the fucking streets, or dying from preventable diseases. I absolutely guarantee, we won't have to kill that many before the rest fall in line.
Not that historica, so far it seems to imitate the 2008 financial crisis crash. But yeah, the financial system almost died then. With Trump, the whole global economic system could very well end in the wood chipper.
The thing to understanding crashes is that they're a crude signal of an underlying reality. Not a thing in themselves.
This isn't like the 2008 crash, or any other, because the reality that's causing the number to go down is totally different. Except maybe the great depression. It's a bit like that.
Could be even worse now, because in the 2008 financial crisis the US government was actively combatting the crisis by putting trillions of dollars in the economy. In this case it’s the US gov driving the madness.
And the fed probably won't let the government dump money into the system because there gonna be afraid of these tarriffs causing inflation.
I can defend my choice of words "historical": Even the most mundane happenings today might be viewed completely weird practices in the future.
....this only affects wealthy people, so the effects won't rage down upon the lower classes? correct? if not obvious /S
That's the great thing about trickle down economics, when it goes up, they get richer and we get poorer. When it goes down, we get poorer and they get richer !
Market swings only benefit those with capital to deploy on the right side of the bet. The rest get shafted either way.
When it goes down we lose our jobs!
At least in (most of) Europe, we do still have a large public part in healthcare/retirement and in general less stock investment culture so people won't see their safety netand retirement money collapsing, sure loosing let's say 10% of your saving sucks, and may even impact your ability to buy a new home (unless interest-rate fall faster in that case you may even be able to buy a nicer home)
We're also kinda lucky, The US adding tariff means that we'll export less to the US, but we can still export to the rest of the world at the same conditions as before. Note also that the remaining manufacturing in Europe is mostly complex product with high added value Planes, industrial robots, or Champagne's wine are already very expensive so I expect that many of the American who can afford these will still be able to afford-it with the tarifs. I am not Naïve, export to the US will dip, but I see some factors that should limit the dip.
Don't get me wrong, some European companies will loose US contract, and will at best launch mass lay-off plans or even bankrupt, and people will be unemployed (see point above about public safety net it makes the difference between selling your car, not going in holiday and shopping at Lidl and ending up homeless). But I am kinda optimistic, the impact for real people will be under control. I am old enough to remember 2008, and it wasn't that bad.
so, as a human being, you approve of the suffering of others to learn a lesson?
No, but most people here approve of the fact that we have at least some cushions to shield us from this madness.
It sucks to be everywhere, but I at least feel lucky knowing that there is absolutely no way I won't be able to make rent for the next 1-2 years, whatever happens, since the rent is fixed for the next 3 years and even if I get fired I'll get unemployment for 1-2 years.
I hope it gets better for US folks, but it really seems that the chickens came home to roost for unchecked neoliberalism over there.
Less direct effects, people are not forced to retire off the stock market and layoffs are very regulated here.
So it's going to be bad but not like the US.
...yeah, fuck those people..
Which people?
as the plane flies over your head, do you say what was that?
Im noticing a pattern in the us where after hours the big money pulls out and then during the trading day the chumps buy the dip.
Isn’t it the best time to buy?
After it bottoms out, yeah.
But there's a saying: don't try to catch a Falling knife.
And this knife is still falling.
Love that!
it this is a dip yes, if its something that keeps going over the course of a few years like 2008 or the great depression then no but whoever trades outside of market times has been rather negative for the last week.
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Kinda wish the North American market wasn't the last one to open so I could have sold some shit before everything crashes...
Roll those dice baby, that’s how gambling works.
The time to sell was last Wednesday.
Oh there's still a long way to go before the bottom I'm sure...
Well, if everything crashes, then everything is equal!!
Then the guy with the biggest bicep eats first.
Aight, of the 15% total crash, I'm 3,5% in it. Gonna put in the rest of my spare money next week and see the result.
That crash wiped out a year of gains, and I'm interested in the future. This is due to a few people in power, not because of tsunamis etc. So this can switch over in just a day.
Just cannot know when that day will be 👴🏻
This is due to a few people in power, not because of tsunamis etc. So this can switch over in just a day.
In my view, the damage is very real and businesses will keep suffering even if Trump winds down his tariff ambitions, because the uncertainty and unpredictability hinder investment decisions. For example, if you managed an aluminium business like Alcoa, would you put up the cash to set up new smelters in the US despite melting stock prices, high borrowing costs and the possibility that the tariffs shielding those US smelters from foreign producers are reduced or even scrapped altogether without warning? Many businesses are “damned if they do, damned if they don't”.
I'm sure there are smart plays in this market, but I'm also convinced that we've entered a bear phase.
Nobody knows bruv.
Lump sum investing wins from DCA 2 out of 3 times, and well bruv.. the market crashed 15%. I'mma keep it for my child in my wife's uterus. I don't need the money.
Do what fits your goals
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