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[–] [email protected] 173 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

From now on you must view all of their words and actions through the lens of a fascist dictatorship. This is almost certainly propaganda intended to increase fear of Chinese supremacy and using that fear as an excuse to invade Panama.

I hard doubt the US doesn't have classified hypersonic missile tech, and even if they don't, this admin won't stop maintaining, building, or deploying these "vulnerable" billion dollar aircraft carriers. Everything conservatives and DOGE cut is everything that benefits the working class, and increases their quality of life and economic mobility. They never cut anything that enables their authoritarian capabilities.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago

Don't forget how they were able to slap a basically poor-only tax with their tariff bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Propaganda can be true sometimes. That the cutting edge of missile tech has been well ahead of the cutting edge of missile defense has been an open secret for at least a decade. It might not be as fast as twenty minutes, but the truth is there is nothing that anybody can do about the most advanced missiles being made today apart from hoping that they miss. The problem with carriers is that they are big, slow targets. Every carrier has this problem, not just the US fleet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Weren't there some wargames a few decades ago where some group playing the "terrorists" sank a US carrier with nothing but a few speedboats and some RPGs or something similar? I am thinking of the one where they "rolled back" the wargame. It has been quite a while since I read that so I don't remember all the details.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Millennium Challenge 2002. That was a boondoggle. Yes the opposing force won and they had to reset the game but the OPFOR was up to some ridiculous shenanigans. For instance instead of using radios, which could be intercepted and tracked, they used motorcycles to convey messages...motorcycles that could travel at the speed of light.

Another piece of silliness is that there were commercial vessels (non-combatants) on the virtual water but OPFOR sometimes used them in ways that were impossible. As an example radar would return a 12 foot fishing boat and then that boat would launch four 20 foot long anti-ship missiles.

Then there's whole idea of a CBG just hanging around shore for days on end staying inside a pre-determined box so that OPFOR always knew their location, something that almost certainly not happen in an IRL conflict.

The Commander of the Opposing Force was extremely clever but they needed a long list of nearly impossible to achieve advantages to make it work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I remember reading that as well, but I recall CWIS wasn't turned on for some reason.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

I hard doubt the US doesn’t have classified hypersonic missile tech....

The HACM (Hypersonic Attack Cruise Missile) is already out there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, carriers in this modern age probably are mostly sitting ducks against any modern adversary. They could barely take on Yemen.

If your adversary has satellites that can tell them where you are and a sufficient amount of missiles / torpedoes, there's only so much you can do.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How the hell would this guy know? He's not qualified to run a game of RISK much less comment on anything that really involves defense

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What do you mean? This is the secretary of defence, a highly qualified post that...
...oh, oh no. Wow, you guys have problems.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But, you see, he looks like a secretary of defense, so therefore he must be an excellent one!

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 days ago

Hegseth himself is a bigger threat to the US than China will ever be.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Why would they bother when Trump is going to sink the whole country?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

and that is putins plan essentially, needs USA out of the way so russia can reclaim former soviet states.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This guy can't even name a single country in ASEAN but is giving advice on china, a neighbour of ASEAN. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/trump-defence-secretary-pete-hegseth-cannot-name-asean-country-4862576

Russia can wipe out US in 15mins using all their nukes in a suicide attack. worry about Russia first. Defeat russia in Ukraine first, russia is much weaker than china in GDP, show that you can kick russia out of Ukraine first.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

"Russian army underwhelmingly unprepared and weak according to Chinese POW" lol

https://lemmy.world/post/28249156

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Him not being able to name a single ASEAN country should have instantly destroyed his career. It's literally in the name so it just means he doesn't even know what it is and then that absolute moron continued to name all other neighboring countries that are not part of ASEAN lmao.

America will never recover from this. It secured its image as a disgruntled band of intellectual retards for the next several decades at least.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago

Hypersonic missiles could destroy every major city in the US in 20 minutes. Just have to put a nuclear warhead in them. The US is deploying hypersonic missiles too. This doesn't change anything except that in the case of Armageddon we will have half as much time to find someone to bang before we die.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think the correct question here is:

"Why? They couldn't before you were in charge."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Biden didn't leave the keys to the anti sink plugs I guess.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Thanks Obama

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why does this feel like they want to throw even more money at the military industrial complex?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Exactly - they can’t use Russia’s military strength as the boogie-man any longer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

It’s fine. They’ll just find more fraud waste and abuse

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

This article's been here for almost an hour, are the aircraft carriers still okay?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

I’ve heard bullshit before. This sounds exactly like that

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

"We need to enslave and control the population to survive against a perceived or projected foreign enemy." Translation from Trump cabinet language to English.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Btw isnt this also true vice versa? With the way technology is today(even disregarding nuclear) you could completely destroy your oponents navy if you have hypersonic missiles which, if i understand correctly, a lot of countries have considering how effective they are

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[–] Tiger666 12 points 6 days ago

China can kill us. We need more money for war. (Has the biggest and most expensive military in the world) SMH

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, since it is basic military doctrine that you should never field a unit that you can't afford to lose, and the billions in $ losses and thousands of sailor lives means we can't afford to lose a carrier, this suggests that carriers are now obsolete and should be retired.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

Someone should tell interestingengineering.com who Pete Hegseth is because obviously they haven't been paying attention for the last few months.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Press X to doubt.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Lol press x to doubt

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I just imagine that almost all large military vehicles are sitting ducks to drones and such. Just look at Ukraine vs. Russia’s navy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

The problem with USVs is they're relatively slow, if a ship is aware of their presence and is in a fighting state - it can get rid of a bunch of them. And it seems that navy helicopters are a decent counter, but overall it's too early to tell if USVs are that good or was it the element of surprise.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Not a great comparison when you consider Russia’s navy hasn’t improved much from the Cold War days. Their tech is old.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That would be shocking if true. The US takes its naval defences very seriously

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (5 children)

During some war games a few years ago, the Dutch Navy managed to score a hit against a US Navy carrier using a diesel sub.

Like someone else said here, carriers are big, slow targets, it's not impossible for something to sneak past and sink them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It was impressive but it happened in 1999. The Dutch Captain said that he doubted he could do it again and indeed a different Dutch Submarine failed at it the next year.

Carriers are considerable faster (30 Knots) than Diesel Subs (20 Knots) too, something the Dutch Captain touches on in that article.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Diesel subs are also different kinds of beasts. They're terrible for international conflict, but for short range operations, they're silent. You can turn off a diesel engine, but not a nuclear reactor.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

against hypersonic missile (speed mach 5 to mach 25), good luck to spot it and try to destroy it before it reaches you

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Most claimed "hypersonic" missiles can't actually manoeuvre at those speeds so you can spot them at distance and work out where you need to send an interceptor missile. We saw this with Patriot batteries vs Kinzhal in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Should be pretty easy to spot, those nose cones will be glowing in the atmosphere like rudolfs nose

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

China watching the Houthis fail to hit a single ship with a 30 missile salvo:

Even with supersonic anti ship missiles, successfully attacking the US navy is notoriously difficult, to the point that they've actually averted invading Taiwan unless some golden opportunity falls into their lap.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Please do it.

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