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[–] Showroom7561 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This speaks directly to GoPro. Fuck them and their bullshit.

You can't even properly use their hardware without using their crippled app. And if you aren't paying for their subscription to use the app they force you to use, be prepared to be harassed endlessly about subscribing.

They even cripple new hardware with the inability to stabilize video unless you have their shitty app do it.

Could you imagine headphones that only play music through an app that requires a subscription? That's the level of enshittification we're going to start seeing.

[–] primemagnus 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It killed them. They went from THE camera for active life. They were synonymous with Hoovers in their field.

Then they got eaten alive because all they did was bullshit instead of making better cameras. Good riddance.

[–] Showroom7561 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It killed them. They went from THE camera for active life.

I have the Hero 11 Black and their new "4k" mini one (both gifted). The mini is pretty much unusable for two reasons:

  1. Their built-in battery likes to die just from being "off" for a little while. Even though pretty much every GoPro seems to have a bad problem with phantom battery drain, you can't replace this one, so you're losing charge cycles without actually using the camera.

  2. You simply cannot use the videos out of the camera without running it through an image stabilization process (through their app, or using third-party software like Gyroflow (thank god, this is FOSS). It's embarrassing that they'd even sell a camera without image stabilization. I have a $60 no-name gopro knockoff that produces better footage out of the camera.

If someone paid me to design a flawed product, I'd basically make a GoPro camera. Such a shame!

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 4 days ago (16 children)

I got a Sonos speaker for Christmas a couple years ago.

As soon as I realized I needed an account for it to simply play music, I went to return it. The guy in the store told me that there were no speaker brands that did not require an account these days, and that I shouldn't be so petty. He said "but you also have a Google account, right?", "Why is a Sonos account such a problem?".

I told him indeed, I already need a Google account for my phone to work, a Spotify account for listening to my music, and now a Sonos account for my speaker that plays that music , and I thought that was ridiculous.

My previous speaker was a Sony, and while that did have an app to configure it, it didn't require setting up an account with any personal data, which I think is fucked up for a device whose main purpose is just to produce sound. I left the speaker in the store and got my money back.

I did some research and found Teufel devices, speakers from Germany that work fine with an app that doesn't require an account. Now all my speakers and soundbars around the house are Teufel, and I'm very happy with them. I think also Yamaha has (or at least had) accountless speakers. So win/win - buying European and keeping my privacy a little more in check.

I did the same for my smart scale. I don't want my weight in the cloud somewhere, or on the servers of some Chinese or U.S. company somewhere. An app on my phone can store daily weight and other health data just fine.

So when I wanted a smart scale, I also did some research. It turns out there's an open source app called openscale that does exactly that: just store the data locally on my phone, and it supports a bunch of devices.

I got myself a Beurer scale (coincidentally also a German brand) because I read you can skip the whole account setup. Then used openscale to register my weigh ins. It works, I'm sure the cloud apps of larger brands have a nicer user interface, but they come at the cost of my privacy, which I simply refuse to sell out for a piece of hardware whose main purpose is to show me what I weigh.

I think people should be more conscious about their data. I don't use apple pay or Google wallet, my bank already knows most of what I pay, where and when. Why would I want to share that with these big corporations? I will gladly trade in a little convenience for a lot of privacy.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago

Teufel

It's hilarious that you literally have to make a deal with the Devil for this.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

God I love lemmy, tysm for posting genuinely

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

The guy in the store told me that there were no speaker brands that did not require an account these days

Just buy a simple Bluetooth speaker.

Don't look for a smart speaker. Don't look for a big brand. Just type “Bluetooth speaker” into the search engine of your favourite webshop or whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

no speaker brands that did not require an account

Thats interesting, I have never bought a speaker that requires an account. My one doesn't even have an app.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have a scale that shows my weight.

And a speaker that plugs into my phone with the jack.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I have used Teufel devices in the past and they worked well enough. But I have since switched to a selfhosted alternative. Stupid speakers (in my case old 2nd hand stereo systems), raspberry pis and the Lyrion Music Server.

You get all the benefits of commercial internet enabled speakers (the project used to power Logitechs speakers before they open sourced it) including multi room audio, various streaming service integration (both Spotify and Qobuz are supported among others) and solid app support as well as the privacy that comes from not relying on an external server

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

This is why I like marine devices. By necessity, they have to operate offline. There's no cellular service in the middle of the ocean. I have a Xantrex LiFePo BMS and a Victron solar charge controller on my boat, and neither requires a cloud account to use the app.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I can accept optional apps. If it's mandatory I will return the device. My oven can connect to the wifi but has never been connected.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

My buddy wanted to give me some OLED tv because he baught another one he didnt need recently but im happy with my 2010 toshiba non- smart TV.

Apps should have to send a monthly statement of how much money they make from and how they used your personal information. Possibly even cut you a check each month

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why would an oven need to be connected to WiFi? Do people start cooking something then leave the house?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I could see something like checking the time remaining and/or temperature from your phone. Obviously that's not a need for WiFi, don't misunderstand me lol, but I could see some uses. For example, some people with severe anxiety or OCD might appreciate being able to make sure they turned it off remotely.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I keep saying framework laptop guys should come out with Linux phone that runs postMarketOS or Mobian. It's can't be that crazy of an idea considering Pine64 and Purism could literally push out their own phones. Obviously given the state of things right now, sure maybe not going to happen... but I will keep preaching this.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The only thing holding back linux phone other than the SOC is the modem. It is a black box computer on its own with no fixed way to interact with them.

VoLTE is nearly impossible to implement across all the countries. Same will be true with 5G.

You can't build a open hardware modem because of all the patents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Very good points my friend. Capitalism strikes again... 😔

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I made the mistake of getting a hwawei (can't be bothered to spell it properly, sorry) smartwatch.

They play store app doesn't work properly, so I need to install their own appstore (that they made because of sanctions) and get the app there.

I lost it a while ago, but I learned to never buy another.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got a fitness armband as a gift and use gadgetbridge (free and open source Android app) https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/huawei-honor/ Maybe it supports your watch?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

Most of the time it's not the hardware that needs to be open-sourced (i.e. CAD, Gerber PCB files, etc.) It's mostly just that the hardware should use standard, open protocols. It would be nice to have the full PCB design so you could rewire things if something breaks. But, most of the time, it's good enough if the device uses standard HTTP or standard Bluetooth, rather than something proprietary.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 days ago

I got the same camera. I did not want to side load an android app just to use it, but I legit thought "three tries only, this can't be serious". Sure enough if you exhaust the trials you cannot use the device. None of the reviews or vids I read and saw mentioned this, or glossed over it. I returned that bitch. Told DJI the reason was I cannot use the camera and I don't have an iPhone and I also don't want to side load an app on my android phone. They accepted thankfully.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

I remember when I got a Kobo Glo ereader a decade ago, I was soo excited to have an ereader that wasn't tied to Amazon.

So I booted it up, and it immediately wanted me to not only register, but to download a program on my computer, and do it from there.

I refused and got pissed.

I started googling and found a guide to hack it.

You had to manually modify the Sqlite database and create a user there.

After doing that, it just worked.

The feeling of relief and accomplishment was fantastic!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That was a great feeling--taking something locked in, programmed, something that used intentionally deceptive description and design, and finding a way to make it your own. To, basically, break the deceptive design and make the device better by "breaking" it.

When I rooted my first Android phone I felt that way. It's a shame how much of the computing power in phones is used for nothing but harvesting our data and profiting from our use of the computer.

There's so much more we need to break now.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If they don't need me to register the app, do they still get personal data, i.e. who I am? Does the phone rat me out?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Welcome to the world of fingerprinting and shadow profiles. You are unique by the data you generate, even if it doesn't have your name on it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Fun related fact, Facebook has an account for you even if you don't have a Facebook account, and your Facebook account has all sorts of information like relationships and employment status.

This is because all of your friends have Facebook accounts, and all of them give the platform access to their contacts, so Facebook knows that you're "John Smith," "John work," "John tech support," "John coworker," etc. They also know your email, thanks to your HR lady storing that alongside your phone number

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Hah, you assume I have friends.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

absolutely yes

[–] mrgoosmoos 5 points 3 days ago

I tried to get Rogers internet a few months back, I actually answered the door for one of them annoying salespeople, and they gave me a price straight up that was $1 more a month than I was currently paying, so yeah I signed up

Oh cool I need an app on my smartphone with an internet connection in order to set up my home internet connection? Oh and this thing doesn't even let you manage DNS? Oh and there's no web portal to manage settings, literally everything has to be done through the app?

yep I fucked right off out of that, never trying Rogers again. ever

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Who else heard "gargle my balls" upon seeing that pic of Louis Rossman?

For those not familiar, check out his YT channel, his work with futo.org (https://wiki.futo.org/index.php/Introduction_to_a_Self_Managed_Life:_a_13_hour_%26_28_minute_presentation_by_FUTO_software), and his Consumer Action Taskforce wiki (https://wiki.rossmanngroup.com/wiki/Main_Page). Here is a person with an electronics repair business trying his hardest to make sure nobody ever needs his services.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Louis always leaves me confused. He gives a strong libertarian vibe but equally I seem to find myself in agreement with most of what he says, certainly on board with his crusade.

[–] ifItWasUpToMe 8 points 3 days ago

I’m very similar, he has a good message, but the way he comes off is a complete turn off to me. Can’t stand the guy.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I hope RISCV helps with the liberation of hardware firmware. It looks promising.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It won't. Nothing stops companies from open-sourcing their hardware and firmware already.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well RISCV changes a bit the paradigm. With x86 x64 or arm whatever the manufacturers had to pay a licence and sign a contract that limited what they could manufacture and probably didn't allow for disclosure of information. Only licenced partners could build their own chips based on those architectures.

With RISCV is different, there's no licence for manufacturing RISCV chips, anybody can do it. No contract needed.

Arduino is an example of that. They used their own MCU and gave it free "libre", that's why there're so many arduino copies that are just the same.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I find x86 is better currently due to the open bootloader. I worry that we may lose that at some point and it makes second hand junk completely useless as you won't even be able to install Linux on it anymore.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

DJI DRONES!

You can't even avoid them because they are a monopoly. (There are "no-name" drones but these drones are very bad)

Even the 2nd place of the best drone manufacturers, Autel, their drones also has mandatory app-based internet activation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah. I once hiked 11 miles in the desert on a road trip to film a specific shot and when I unpacked my drone I found out that the app had updated overnight and needed me to log back in before I could fly again.

The nearest cell service was 30 miles away.

Edit: And the next drone I bought was a DJI, because nobody else comes close.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are tons and tons of excellent drones running opensource betaflight so I challenge your claim that all 'no-name' drones are bad. The top racers and freestylers and world-record-speed-setters don't fly DJI and I'm pretty sure the market for professional cinelifters is entirely out of DJI's reach. It's true that there aren't really other drones in the same market segment with all the hand-holding and flight assist and outright auto-flying DJI is famous for but that's a much more narrow window. For people who want that stuff your claim is true.

For people flying primarily with their own skill there is still a great opportunity to build from parts and compile from source.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago

What you need is design with purpose. Why is there an app vs physical controls. Because everyone's doing it, or to collect data to sell, or because it offers real value to the user?

If it doesn't benefit users, don't be surprised when you get flamed and lose sales.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

i would let this man fix my broken app connected cockring

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