It can't handle regular lanes
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We live in a world where nobody can design a roomba that doesn't run over dog shit and smear it throughout the house.
Why does anyone think a car can drive itself?
So the only difference is basically government regulations. In the US he can do whatever he wants so he pushed an incomplete FSD implementation that's already killed people without any consequence, elsewhere governments have minimal standards that expose what kind of a fraud he actually is. And it's not that China is anti-FSD, their local car companies already have one that presumably can deal with the bus lane issue.
For the sake of playing devil's advocate, many of the examples of going through bus lanes and FSD issues in general use the old hw3 hardware. Hw3 is no longer supported and doesn't get updates anymore. Anything new should use hw5 which is more advanced and has much better support. Hw4 solved many of these issues.
Hw3 FSD is good, but it still has some edge cases which don't work such as bus lanes, using express lanes, etc.
I hear this feedback a lot! Hardware comments and software update comments. Like that the most recent combination of both is some sort of panacea for whatever glaring safety deficiency it is that I'm commenting on at the time. I don't blame you at all for making that argument, I appreciate a devil's advocate and I'm trying to be a generally more open-minded person.
Here's the rub, though. HW4 was introduced, what, 2 years ago? HW3 was on sale as of 24 months ago, and they were selling FSD as a paid add-on with HW3. If it cannot do the job safely and reliably in every configuration it was sold in, it really doesn't matter what the top-of-the-line capability is.
Imagine if Ford had seatbelts that killed people on the Ford Fiesta or airbags that didn't deploy. It wouldn't be a reasonable counterargument for Ford to say "well, that's not a problem, because they work fine on the Mustang GT, though."
It's a safety issue with no obvious solve other than deactivating FSD on the systems where it doesn't work safely (which is the majority of Teslas that exist). Can't retrofit, because apparently the Tesla designers are about as good at designing cars as I am, and the form factor of HW4 doesn't fit in the HW3 slot.
I agree that anything unsafe shouldn't be on sale. it's a tough one. i see tons of content implying FSD is completely incapable of self driving where as the reality is now they are down to solving the truly hard parts of chasing edge cases. Ideally there should be another decade of work yet before anything goes on the roads just to be sure, and that would also need detailed regulations for support, recording etc.
Imagine if Ford had seatbelts that killed people on the Ford Fiesta or airbags that didn't deploy. It wouldn't be a reasonable counterargument for Ford to say "well, that's not a problem, because they work fine on the Mustang GT, though."
It's a safety issue with no obvious solve other than deactivating FSD on the systems where it doesn't work safely (which is the majority of Teslas that exist).
I don't think that's a fair analogy. FSD in its current "supervised" form is not a safety device drivers are supposed to rely on, but an experimental feature which drivers can try out at their own risk. FSD has not left the "supervised" phase, and Elon has admitted that HW3 will never be capable of unsupervised FSD. Tesla won't use HW3 vehicles for their robotaxi fleet, they'll use HW5. If HW5 fixes the bus lane issue (and that is a big "if"), then the scenario of bus drivers sharing lanes with incompetent robotaxis as outlined in the OP will never occur.
HW3 was on sale as of 24 months ago, and they were selling FSD as a paid add-on with HW3. If it cannot do the job safely and reliably in every configuration it was sold in, it really doesn't matter what the top-of-the-line capability is.
Can't retrofit, because apparently the Tesla designers are about as good at designing cars as I am, and the form factor of HW4 doesn't fit in the HW3 slot.
This is the bigger issue for Tesla from a legal standpoint. While Elon super-duper pinky-promised that an unsupervised-FSD-capable retrofit would be made available for free for all HW3 owners who purchased FSD, no timeline has been announced for this. If no retrofit materializes, Tesla are setting themselves up for a class-action lawsuit on behalf of all HW3 owners, who were sold "vehicles capable of unsupervised FSD in a few months/years".
I'm watching that retrofit conversation closely. Gooniebirds are currently stating that HW3 will be upgraded to HW5 directly (which does not exist beyond typically fantasist claims by the CEO that it will be an order of magnitude higher powered than HW4), so I'm not totally sure yet.
In the world we live in, in today-land where people are currently using FSD to drive their vehicles (in bus lanes and beyond!), the HW3 FSD vehicles were sold with false advertising. They cannot fully self drive, not safely, anyhow.
So yeah, we'll see. Also, heya!