Share a story, ask a question, or start a conversation about (almost) anything you desire. Maybe you'll make some friends in the process.
RULES (updated 01/22/25)
Casual conversation communities:
Related discussion-focused communities
In my mind the law requires the equality of us all (no one should be above the law and also no one should be more targeted by said law). So, no 'malicious people' should not be punished more than other people committing the same 'crime'.
If it is to be respected, any law needs to be fair. If it is not, bad things will happen. That's one of the reasons laws can be amended or removed and... why they should be when they aren't fair.
Edit: typos.
I agree that laws should be applied equally to everyone and I would never suggest otherwise. In this context, malicious would mean intent. So in legal terminology it would be the difference between 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree murder, or manslaughter.
Exactly.
I'm in the "little bit of both" camp here.
By definition if you're a malicious manipulator you're being a bad person. (Disagree? Look up what "malicious" means....) And bad people really should be punished. (But that's not the end-all, be-all of things: good people should also be rewarded!)
On the other hand, you live in a world where bad actors exist. At some level you have to watch out for yourself instead of dumping that burden on literally everybody around you who in some form or another cares about you.
Where things get complicated for me is when the people who are victims of malicious manipulators have been manipulated through their own desire to be, well, malicious. The victims of 419 scams, for example, are sucked in by malicious manipulators through a desire to benefit through what amounts to malicious manipulation. They wanted to be scammers themselves; it just turns out that they were incompetent at it and got scammed instead. Here my feelings are mixed.
Responsibility cannot be delegated. People are always responsible to keep themselves safe. But it makes sense for them to cooperate in a society to organize their safety.
The problem is that manipulation is part of society. For society to work, people must be unaware of some manipulations but then, manipulators can abuse the blind spots.
Overall it's a cost benefit decision. Some abuse can be easier prevented by regulations, some by personal responsibility.
Just to clarify, what would you consider necessary manipulation? Disregarding the malicious component for a moment even.
Nothing is necessary in particular, but a choice among options.
We desensitize people to compassion, we dogwhistle people into racism, we train people to ignore dishonesty, we make people comply with authority even if they are wrong, we make people believe in science instead of understanding it, and some more.
This is to make people accept their jobs and create the things that are needed.
In general, people don't do stuff on their own. So overall the manipulation is needed if we want to have more than hunter gathering. This can be seen as malicious, but also as benevolent.
This voice sounds very familiar to me. Very shini.
What do you mean?