That's very sad to hear. I am currently using Arc as my main browser for work (I am a web developer) since its launch on MacOS. Guess I need to switch browsers soon then...
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When I eventually managed to test Arc, I felt it was a very overhyped browser. I couldn't see what the fuss was about.
I remember i used to use Windows i didnt like that i couldnt test arc Browser on Windows Sandbox
Never heard of that thing, but apparently it was Apple exclusives? Deserved death then.
I'm hoping ladybug will be operational for mainstream use, before the enshittification of Firefox progresses too far.
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It wasn't supposed to stay Apple exclusive. In fact, when I last used Windows there was a beta build out for Arc. However, there were also multiple Firefox styles in the CSS Store that made Firefox into Arc.
Then Zen Browser came out, and I'm currently watching it get very popular. I don't doubt that Zen Browser is one of the reasons Arc is shutting down. It's nearly an exact copy, but now with more features (and is constantly coming out with even more faster than Arc can think of them).
I'm excited for Ladybird as well, but I'm not expecting anything crazy when it comes out of alpha and beta. I fully expect to wait a bit, maybe download to contribute some troubleshooting, but it may not be viable as a main use browser for a long time yet.
It'll be a great browser by 2029 IMO, and honestly that's not that long compared to the development time all other browsers have had.
We shall see, I'm excited to start testing it out next year when it's in Alpha
Well that's shooting yourself in the damn foot.
Apple users are a tiny percentage, and most of the sort that happily uses whatever Apple gives them without question or concern for other options. I have no idea what this thing did, but if it did something different than every other browser should start targeting Windows and Linux.
So, no Windows, no Linux, no head?
There is a windows and mobile tab on their website
It probably has something to do with being only available on Macs for so long.
Or them completely shifting development to their AI browser
I guess they lost their only selling point when Firefox added vertical tabs…
Also Zen exists, which is a Firefox fork that implements the concept of Arc
It’s dead and they’re replacing it with an AI-first browser. Gross.
If you want the main things Arc gives you (vertical tabs, tab groups), you can get them with Firefox or a Firefox spinoff like Librewolf.
They're obviously going for a zero adoption policy and trying to think of the most repulsive options
Zen browser is basically FireFox made to look like Arc
Zen made sense until Firefox rolled out vertical tabs, but there's little reason to endure all the growing pains and bugs now you can set up basically the exact same thing directly on FF.
Firefox vertical tabs are lackluster though, you don't have pinned and essential tabs on FF, and you also miss out on Glance (the pop out link feature), basically the main features it copied from Arc. Honestly it's been very stable for me, and it's matured enough that I'd recommend giving it another shot.
You absolutely do have pinned tabs on FF. They go double column when you shrink down the sidebar, too, which I like. And they work with tab groups. Can't believe those took so long to steal from Chrome. Did support for groups get integrated into Zen as well? That's probably my line in the sand these days.
I was interested in the Glance concept, but I did not love the implementation. It was hard to tell when you were inside a Glance tab and I ended up struggling to deploy those into a persistent tab if I wanted to keep them for later. The idea was intriguing, but I never clicked with the details of the UX. It always took a little bit more thinking to work around than just... right clicking into new tab, I guess.
The pinned tabs are closer to the essentials though that's the thing, it lacks that 2 layer separation based on purpose.
Wdym hard to tell you're in a glance tab? It's an overlayed smaller box, and the tab that has it open also gets an icon. Plus you never go into it accidentally, unless you're clicking on a link in an essential tab it's going to be manually entered.
It's been a while and I forget the details of exactly what flow or set of steps led to me impotently clicking on things that were unresponsive because a Glance popup was on. I remember being annoyed by it relatively frequently. The memory I have of it was that Glance was cool to have going into it, but almost always frustrating to have to close again.
To be clear, I have no horse in this race. I encourage people to try Zen and Firefox and pick either of them over any of the Chromium hordes. I'm just explaining why I went into Zen, used it primarily for a while, side-by-side with Firefox when vertical tabs came in and then phased it out because FF was a better fit for me. There is no us vs them here at all.
I really like the split view in Zen. I wish it supported drag and dropping links across pages but it's still handy.
Zen is a lot more than just vertical tabs. And I have never run into any "pains and bugs".
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Why do people want vertical tabs? It feels as if it just takes up more space, and my muscle memory after all these years makes me move to the top. I always go back to horizontal tabs after using vertical tabs for a day.
because when you have more than 8 tabs open on a horizontal tab row, the tab handles start to become narrower and tab titles become unreadable and almost useless. with vertical tabs tab titles can be as long as you see fit, and the tab title does not take away space from other tab handles so more can fit. essentially its more space efficient I think.
but I don't use it because my firefox theme breaks down when I set up vertical tabs, and everything will be white, even though I don't even use userchrome customizations
Because web content is increasingly mobile and vertical-oriented. So the horizontal space is usually empty anyway.
Sometimes new things take time to get used to but if you try it for more than a single day you may find that you like it.
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I prefer the overview I get with them. I’m on an ultrawide monitor so it’s not like I’m sacrificing horizontal space either.
Yeah, on a widescreen or 4K, I can see the appeal.
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tab groups in firefox are surprisingly good! even alongside a tab group management addon. they complement each other, like when you don't want to create a bunch of subgroups for an exclusive view but just collapse them
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No Linux build, not git link, why would anyone care?
Because 96% of people aren't using Linux to browse the web.
That figure is entirely irrelevant when you need to target users who are willing to try a new unknown third party browser in the first place.
And you'll find orders of magnitude more of those among Linux users than you do on Mac, which is where Arc launched on.
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it couldn't be too popular as a windows only project. I assume it was too lite known, like I never even heard about it here or other places
Zen Browser is open source and in active development!
No shit it died. They stopped supporting it and on top of it it’s a browser that requires you to be logged into an account to use, which is a turnoff to techie people who are the most likely to adopt nee things early.
Oh and Microsoft Edge can do most of the things Arc does.
When i left Chrome, one of the things I was looking for was vertical tabs and was willing to try anything. I wasn't fond of a mac first option, but I decided to try it. Installed it and the first thing it did was to force me to make an account, uninstalled it instantly.
I'm not against the option of having an account, but forcing it makes me distrust them. Was not long after that there were also some major security flaws found as well. They really didn't make it easy for people to change, almost like they thought the apple form over function would appeal more broadly.
Yep. Save reason I won't use Kagi and I don't use AI much. Surveillance capitalism will only ever lead to authoritarianism and dystopia. I don't want anything to do with it.
You can't trust any company to not sell you out and pick your carcass clean.
Isn’t kagi's point that they store very little about you to the point there no search history and you have to pay for the service provided?
If their code isn't open source, and your searches aren't encrypted in such a way that their logging of them isn't an option, why should you believe them? It's not like there's some precedence that corporations face any legitimate consequences for their crimes. Unless they steal from the wealthy, any consequences will be less than the profits from their crimes.
According to them.
Can you cite me some instances of surveillance from Kagi? Genuinely asking.
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I really liked the layout of Arc, but ended up going back to Firefox because uBlock still works on it.
Try Zen, it used Arc as its main inspiration for the UI and features
The Browser Company, the developer behind the Arc Browser, has announced that Arc is going away
Where? Where did they do this? Why is there no link? They said several times, very recently, that it was not going away. They were just basically going into maintenance mode.
please know this: we’re not trying to shut Arc down.
what a fucking joke, the best thing it did was create the zen browser project, and before that Vivaldi existed that took the spot of zen without the hype
I hated arc but I really really wanted to like it. It was just too awkward to use
Never even heard of it until now.
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