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[–] epicstove 3 points 2 hours ago

I was in Switzerland and the trains there are incredible. Even the tiniest village in buttfucksburg, nowhere has a train connecting it to the rest of the country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

And for one more added bonus we wouldn’t have to fix the problems with air traffic control

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Trains not planes is a much more reasonable and practical way to get people behind building more railways than planes not cars. We can talk planes not cars once some of the initial infrastructure is in place, but I think focusing on replacing something people hate (flying) rather than replacing something they like (driving) is probably a good place to start.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I'd much rather take a train than plane. However, where I live, I seriously need my car and I enjoy the freedom of driving. I am not in a huge city with rush hour traffic though.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

To be honest, I haven’t seen anyone else mention the real reason: America allowed private companies to buy and own the lands under the rails in the 1800s in order to deal with the massive distances across the US to connect the West and East. 150 years later and just a few companies own almost all the track and rail across America. Almost all private, not public land. Public citizens and communities have very little control over the railways going through their communities. These companies lobby against and make it difficult to introduce new, public rail lines for a multitude of reasons. This is one of very many examples of how corporations abuse law, monopolistic practices, and media to lessen the power of American citizens.

[–] tempest 1 points 4 hours ago

That doesn't even take into account that a lot of rails in the US are owned by Canadian companies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I recently went on a holiday using high speed rail in Europe (1100km). Flying was cheaper and faster. Sadly I have feeling of empathy and principles so I went with the train anyway. Wasn't too bad though just did a lot of reading.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Rail is hard if it's from one country to another (I think Europe is the exception)

In my case, I have to take rail from Ankara to Edirne, Edirne to Bucharest, Bucharest to Vienna, and after Vienna I can access anywhere in Europe

The problem is, going from Edirne to Bucharest requires two visas

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Even in the EU there are still some difficulties. Like Finland and Estonia are on broad gauge not standard gauge. So their network isn’t connected to the rest of the EU. Spain and French haven’t connected their high speed rail network because of some dispute. So you have to get off at the border take a slow train across the border than walk to another platform to get on the other train.

Also rules says the crew needs to speak the local language of the country the train drives trough and traffic rules vary by country so if the driver doesn’t speak the language or doesn’t know the rules they need to change drivers when a train crosses a border which adds more delays.

Problem is also that there are still many rail networks in Europe that are privately owned.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I’m a huge train and transit advocate and I try to take Amtrak every chance I get. But “tickets are cheaper” does not feel like a blanket statement we can make. Maybe on very specific, usually short legs, like Chicago to Milwaukee. Someone correct me if I’m wrong or there’s more nuance but once a trip goes past 3 or 5+ hour mark, the price seems to skyrocket past airfare.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

In Europe when you book ahead of time and are not too specific about the dates you can fly much cheaper. If I want to go from Amsterdam to Barcelona I can get a much much cheaper flight. Why would I go for the option that is slower and more expensive?

I wish trains where cheaper I'd take them more often.

I once heard someone make the argument flying is cheaper because a plane can fly from one airport to almost any other airport. So when you own a plane you can use it in a much more flexible way. A train can only go over a fixed track, yes you can use switches etc. But when you build an airport basically any plane can go there immediately. For trains it doesn't work like that. Make matters even worse in Europe usually train operators are national and most trains don't cross borders beyond a few stations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, that is definitely true in the U.S.

Also, I've found that rail travel is inconvenient in the U.S. I can't confirm, but it seems like the Amtrak only comes through my (Midwest) area once a week, on Wednesdays or something like that. So, if I plan a trip, I need to plan around.

Midwest to the East Coast is so much cheaper and faster by air. I want to travel by rail - and you'd think it should be cheaper - but it's totally not.

Part of it, I believe, is that Amtrak leases the usage of the rail lines from the shipping companies, so it must adhere to their schedules of shipping freight. The USA spends so much on upgrading its highway system; if they used a fraction of that money towards rail travel we would be set. But certain companies keep lobbying Congress to keep us locked in a model where we are totally reliant on cars and gasoline.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Also true in many cases in Europe.

You can get a flight ticket for under 20€ between Germany and UK (RyanAir), and have to pay tenfold that for a train ticket.

Or a 30€ ticket to Romania per plane. Booking a train to Romania is much more difficult and expensive and also easily over 100€.

I would wish that train tickets are cheaper than plane tickets, but if you cross country borders, booking train tickets becomes expensive and difficult in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I really really wish I wasn't American

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Americans can't do trains because it requires public infrastructure (rails), which apparently we are allergic to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Can't do public infrastructure, unless it's roads.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I've read articles in the past about high speed trains and/or just new train lines in general would get held up by little towns who didn't want to lose the commuter traffic since it was the only thing keeping them afloat. There are too many towns that exist literally just to serve motorists and now nobody wants to get rid of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Tough luck, that's the free market at work

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Anybody who is making money off existing transportation is going to be against public transportation. Cab companies lobby against rail everywhere, from city to burbs or airport to downtown. Trucking, for obvious reasons. Passenger rail can carry cargo at night. And of course anybody selling fuel to the mass of cars, the petro industry.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

This again? The answer is no one knows. We heard legends about it but the prophecy says line go up!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Americans can't do high speed rail because we have aircraft, automobile, and petroleum industries who don't want us to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

ah, the free market

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

The cost of dedicated passenger rail lines is staggering, and the US has a LOT of ground to cover.

[–] doylio 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Something like 30% of the US lives in the strip between Washington DC and Boston. It's absolutely achievable for the richest country on Earth to provide high speed rail in that section.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's already a lot of passenger rail options in that part of the country. I've used it, and it works great.

This post is specifically about using it in place of airlines, which is used for longer-distance travel.

[–] doylio 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to use it in place of airlines, you need high-speed rail. Something that the US has basically none of

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Which goes back to the issue of the difficulty of building high-speed rail across long distances.

Higj-speed rail can't be built at grade like freight rail. You can't risk a cow getting through a fence or a crossing signal failure leading to a high-speed train collision.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

As someone from Russia, we have even larger territory, and going by rail is almost twice as cheap as by plane.

High speed rail from Saint Petersburg to Moscow will cost you ~$45, going by plane will set you back ~$75 on the cheapest flight with hand luggage only. Considering the time losses associated with airports, you'll be at your destination almost as fast for way cheaper, so this option is widely preferred.

Same story with long distance trips - I plan on going for a 1000km trip in July, and train ticket costed me the same $45, while cheapest plane tickets go around $100. It's also a night train with beds and all, so I have one night accommodation for free while on my way. Depart - have a nice sleep - be on your destination in the morning and have a full day to yourself, fully rested.

If you're feeling adventurous, you can go all the way from Moscow to Vladivostok by single train for $250. This will take almost a week, but it will get you around half the planet for that money.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah no country has ever built a high speed passenger rail network interconnecting cities spread throughout an area comparable to the usa. And it's absurd to think that it could be done in under 20 years and receive massive popular support and have universally recognised benefits. Guys the cost is too high for the biggest economy on earth and the distance is so far that they could never build a railway across it especially not more than 100 years ago.

(Well to be fair the Chinese did also build the railways across the US so maybe they do have something America doesn't)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

This comment really needs a /sarcasm tag

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

The ideal is a mix, planes for the long haul, trains for short haul.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Man if only the US and a massive incarcerated population with which they could use to forcibly work on a rail project, then it would be possible. If only.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The rare double woosh.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly I think it's just sticker shock. I would say that as soon as we get some people would be more willing to get more, but no, because people are hesitant to expand existing rail. MARTA please expand, I beg you. Oh great spirits of public transit, I pray that you soften the NIMBYs' hearts.

It's so upsetting that every small town in my state has an old historic train stop but none of them are actually passenger train stops anymore. Once you see it you can't unsee it. I am 15 minutes from my town's historic train stop which is a steak house now. My parents are about the same distance from theirs, probably even closer, but it's a museum or something. Can I just take a walk to the train, ride down, and see them? Nope. Gotta deal with the hellscape that is metro Atlanta traffic.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (12 children)

soften nimby hearts

They can soften the nimbys' hearts, but ill take them cooked to charcoal if that's what it takes.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is there any parody porn about TSA? I want to masturbate to it. As long as it's not too noncon (like TSA in real life), I don't really care about the details (I'm ok with any gender, large insertions/fisting, etc.).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago

Is there any parody porn about [a thing]?

Yes. The answer is always yes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

TSA exists, therefore...

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Yeah why doesn't Europe have trains?

Europe definitely doesn't have trains already.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Cheaper? come to the UK, where flying can be less expensive than rail

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