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For clarification, this just concerns Schleswig-Holstein, not the entirety of Germany.
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2025
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if all goverment entities in the EU spent the money they pay for MS licenses on free software instead, they could fund hundreds of free software developers. How cool would that be?
The EU does fund the development of free software projects, the NGI Zero fund for example funds more than 1000 projects!
It would be super cool, but a lot of that software requires hardware to be run on, so some of that budget would likely have to go there to cover formally/microsoft-hosted services.
Hundreds? I think you mean tens of thousands. Microsoft products are expensive and their costs are embedded in everything.
Need a replacement workstation? Add an extra hundred for the unavoidable cost of Windows.
Office and Teams are an ongoing subscription fee that costs about $100 per employee.
Sharepoint licenses run over a thousand a year before you add in custom modules.
Microsoft's Azure cloud host is now running most things like your company's exchange server - so you pay for the Exchange service subscription AND the hosting costs.
The list goes on.
if they actually spend it, instead of than celebrating the immense savings.
Very cool. Especially if their work benefits everyone. Maybe they can even fix kerning in LibreOffice for everyone.
If you are interested in the Germans public sectors open source developments check out openDesk: https://www.opendesk.eu/en
If you want to know more, also take a look at openCode and ZenDis, the (kinda) government institution behind it.
I see they will use libreoffice & Linux and it's all good but what are they replacing Teams with?
Mattermost?
Mattermost is phenomenal, but it doesn't do audio/video calls. Unless there's been a massive update that I missed lol.
Jitsi could fill this role, but I dont know if it integrates well with Mattermost
They do have audio/screenshare and video is in the pipeline but yeah, not yet possible
I dont know what teams offers that networked attached storage running and a self hosted rocket chat service couldn't do.
I dont believe they were saying teams is irreplaceable.
I would also be interested to know wa govt selects as an alternative.
Excellent! Returning to software which goal is "how can I make this easier and better for the user", instead of software made by the philosophy "how can I force the user to buy more payed services and how can we mine more data about the user".
Hope more will follow as this will probably improve foss and make work life better for everyone :]
Paid subscription services
Teams is dogshit. Every time they push an upgrade, it makes my job selling it so much more difficult.
Godspeed Germany, I hope you find a better solution shortly. It canโt be that difficult.
It is not. I am part of a small company (say 25 people) and we use combination of Rocket Chat, Jitsi, and Nextcloud (among other apps). It is literally unlimited licenses, forever, and it will keep working until the heat death of the universe, with no need to update ever until it stops working. Costs 60$ a month for a server to run these, plus Gitlab and tons of other services.
Yes, a fellow Jitsi user in the wild!
How is it treating you?
Apart from having to write a custom script to automatically upload recordings to Peertube, pretty good! Some people have issues connecting from their work network because apparently our domain is not on some allow list for calls. But everything works out of the box, quality is nice, Rocket Chat has an integration. The only thing I am missing is scheduling calls where the host is one predefined user, and everyone has to wait until they connect, and moderator being the first to connect. It is stable, streaming works, UI is partially crude and some features do not work out of the box when not configured separately. But hey, it is free and no big corpo is snooping around!
I just hope that sme of those saved โฌmillions head towards Linux / Libre Office
Teams is just a Trojan horse for SharePoint
Office is a Trojan horse for teams
Windows is a Trojan horse for office.
The MS ecosystem is a hollow wooden horse matryoshka doll
Iโm actually almost entirely certain that teams is going to become the new outlook soon
Many Bundeslรคnder and cities are just embracing MSFT even more with Win 10's end and hop onto M365 with Exchange Online, which locks them in even more. This is the outliner.
Which is true, however: if they pull it off, others will follow. Donโt let perfect be the enemy of good.
*outlier
Ah thx, not a native as you can tell:)
No judgement whatsoever. English words come from so many similar sounding roots!
Me too, Germany
This post is vying for most reposted article on Lemmy
Have you heard? Tesla stocks are plummetting!!!
It has it all!
Yea cause Lemmy users have a hard on for Linux and anything and everything Microsoft = terrible lmao its truly fun to read these comments at least.
Well. It is objectively true that everything Microsoft is in fact terrible
Yea they are so terrible they are market leaders with trillion dollar cap, absolutely the worse.
The mistake you are making is conflating profitability and quality.
No the mistake yall are making is ignoring if a product was truly bad then EVERYONE would abandon it but they don't been doing IT for 2 decades windows is going no where.
Microsoft has very, very good salespeople and they let the sunk cost fallacy do the rest. Their products donโt have to be good. They just have to check certain boxes for sales and be recognizable, especially since so many people/businesses are genuinely unaware that alternatives exist, or think that (due to marketing and sunk cost fallacy) those are alternatives are โtoo complicatedโ or โtoo risky.โ
MS has been using aggressive anti-competitive practices for decades to secure and hold market share. Making good things that people genuinely enjoy is not part of their business plan.
Good, now dump bibis nazi terror state.
Can we stop rehashing this story?