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Mamdani, a proudly socialist 33-year-old, holds a 44-36 percent lead over over former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo – who was hoping that New Yorkers had short memories, and were ready to re-elect the textbook centrist Democrat.

However, after the disaster of Trump’s first year back in the White House – with everyday American life interrupted by protests, immigration raids, corruption allegations and the unshakebale feeling that the nation is about to enter World War 3… It seems the pendulum is swinging back towards left-wing politics.

It appears that the success of Mamdani isn’t so much a vote against Trumpian politics, but more a vote against the stale nothingness of the Democrats top brass – who, while pitching themselves as the progressive option in America’s political system, very seldom action – or even – offer – left-wing policies.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

They’re not shocked, they’re alarmed that the left has gained such a clear and dramatic groundswell of support and that they found a flaw in a mechanism they have traditionally used to tilt the scales in favor of machine incumbents.

They are taking steps to mitigate this, I would absolutely expect them to even overtly rig the general, and everyone should be paying attention to who owns the voting machines, whether the software is audited, and how the votes are tabulated.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don’t consider any of Mamdani’s proposals especially left-wing, either. They’re all bare-minimum, common-sense social programs that pay dividends. The fact that people are going mad over this tells you exactly how far gone the US has become.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait, so if candidates actually run on what voters want, they can succeed?

Amazing

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, because the new normal expectation is that common sense is far from common, and that no matter who you vote for, the results will be more of everything that's wrong with the world

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sadly many voters do have the memory span of a moth...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

absolutely disappointing that the Democrats would rather have a sex pest mayor than someone just a LITTLE more left than them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I don’t think they care so much if you are left of them…. It’s left of center right that they are worried about….

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

If Mamdani pulls it off, I hope he can keep his promises or at least give a good fight for common sense. For the moment, the USA is fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There’s also kind of an answer here to why people voted for Trump.

People are angry. They don’t necessarily know the best policies to resolve the country’s poor direction, but it’s clear to so many people that what we have isn’t working.

Many of us have had a conversation over drinks with a confident person at a party who maybe has a job you don’t understand well, and who just speaks confidently about all the things that are fucked up, and what they’d do in charge. As long as they don’t make claims of “Things are mostly okay”, they can make up any target: Immigrants, trans people, government overspending on overseas programs. The key is, they have to match the voter’s anger. The rest follows naturally.

I’d also say that’s how Obama got elected. He had a message of hope and change.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know people who voted for Trump specifically because they thought the best way to make things better in the long run was to elect someone who would make things drastically worse first. That it was necessary for him to win to teach a lesson to various dysfunctional parts of the system that would otherwise be complicit in a decline to the same destination, differing only in speed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's unfortunate that fascists don't give back power. I have a coworker who was getting fed up with people like Macron succeeding over here, and he was saying "sometimes I wonder about Le Pen getting elected, maybe it'll work to show how bad they really are at doing anything and people will finally vote left" (he's from Algeria, he absolutely 150% isn't a far right voter or even heavily religious himself) and when he saw Trump the first time, on Jan. 6, it finally registered in his head that you really can't give fascists a single step in the door, ever, even if they're shit at doing anything, you have to erase them everywhere because they're not shit at keeping and abusing power.

What's even more unfortunate is that the other people who are in power most of the time ("center right") don't actually want to keep fascists out of power if doing anything costs them power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

What’s even more unfortunate is that the other people who are in power most of the time (“center right”) don’t actually want to keep fascists out of power if doing anything costs them power.

Like you said, fascists don't give back power.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I have two points to add to this:

1 - As a liberal, there was nothing more frustrating than having to vote for Kamala, a candidate who was aggressively "pro-cop", especially as many in the country were protesting for defunding cops. Youre not going to energize most people with an angle like "You want us to vote to stop Trump?"

2 - As a person who is part of the black/immigrant community, the government has a history of ignoring us for decades. It's not the federal government, but the local government too. Systematic racism has always kept us down. And I hate to say it, Trump got a wall going. Trump has ICE harassing immigrants. These are newsworthy events, even if they're in the wrong fucking direction. But a Democrat has a history of never wanting to create a ripple as they appeal to all sides.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't think anyone is actually shocked. It's quite obvious that if you push policies that benefit large numbers of people, you might get support from large numbers of people. Of course that's not a guarantee, but it doesn't need to be.

But many Democrat politicians have been keen on appeasing their corporate backers by pretending otherwise, even though they knew it, we knew it, Bernie was saying it The cat has been out of the bag for a long time.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Posting this to offend the white supremacist mods in the politics forum

who they are

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It appears that the success of Mamdani isn’t so much a vote against Trumpian politics, but more a vote against the stale nothingness of the Democrats top brass

People worth their salt, especially academics, mentioned this multiple times, neoliberal politics is no longer working. People want anything away from the forty-year old, outdated policies. Populism is getting a bad rap (either unintentionally or deliberately) but it is simply democracy. When surveyed, many voters who'd be open to vote right are also willing to vote left provided that bread and butter issues that affect day-to-day lives are addressed. Mamdani won the primary because he ran on providing common sense policies that the duopoly parties and oligarchs have brainwashed many Americans to fear. It seems that Americans are gradually waking up from establishment conditioning.

If American progressives continue with running on addressing bread and butter issues, and take away the narrative from the right, then the country could be saved from fascism. There may not need be a civil war to oust the Trump administration, but only time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have met a shocking number of Trump voters who really like or liked Bernie Sanders. That number is four, but it's still shocking and I don't go out much. Obviously they aren't paying much attention to policy or reality, but I wonder how common this is? My father-in-law is one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real. They both promised to shake things up, but the Democrats decided that they'd rather promote Trump, then let Bernie win. Most voters are sick of the status quo, but they don't know enough of the details, and vote for whichever candidate promises to fix things.

They like Trump because he promises change. They also like Bernie because he also promises change. But for the last three elections, the Democrats have run status-quo politicians that keep telling the voters everything is fine. And the voters aren't having it.

Now we have a chance to point out the direction that the Democrats need to turn to if they want to actually win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you look at it in the way that both people promise to shake up the system

Sometimes the direction is less important than the action

I mean, fuck trump and the only thing he wants to shake is the pockets of everyone else, but there is a commonality that can't be ignored

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

Republican: I can't tell a socialist from a communist but I can be racist at the same time.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Frankly I don't know what folks should have otherwise expected. The "standard" candidate was a former governor who left the office in disgrace after misconduct.

Even if people were for whatever reason skeptical of a progressive candidate, the business as usual candidate was such a bad idea that people would rather go for it than vote for Cuomo.

Now we watch as Cuomo probably ruins everything by running in the general anyway. The same reason why people say the progressives that can't win Democrat primaries should bow out for general elections without RCV applies to "centrists" in the same boat. A progressive candidate won fair and square, stay out of his way.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

*centrist but yeah.

[–] carlossurf 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Shocker progressives are popular because checks notes … they fight for everyone not just the rich

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Come on, look at the alternative that the PARTY chose. Cuomo was meant to be handed that position.

The parties don't give a shit about what the public wants. They have an agenda and they're working towards it. Any time a candidate comes along and tries to really help people with policy changes they are stabbed in the front by the other party, and stabbed in the back by their own.

[–] [email protected] 162 points 3 days ago (64 children)

Jesus fucking christ, where my crew at?

This is our moment to fucking run it in the faces of the idiots telling us we needed to have candidates with barely left of center politics in this country.

People who have told you you need to accept less from candidates because abwd are the toxic bane that handed us Trump. You can't win elections on being a diet piece of shit; you actually have to stand for some thing.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

Any politician criticizing Mamdani receives money from AIPAC…

Wow what a coincidence,

Free Palestine from the apartheid genocidal colonizers, the fascist Israeli regime!

[–] [email protected] 131 points 3 days ago (22 children)

Dems continue to be baffled by the popularity of progressive politicians. They can’t fathom Americans wanting less & less to do with their moderate-right-wing bullshit, while the far-right moves farther & farther right.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They knew, that's why they threw Bernie Sanders under the bus over and over. The ones controlling the DNC do not want to lose their corporate backers if they allow true social equality.

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