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There have been a number of Scientific discoveries that seemed to be purely scientific curiosities that later turned out to be incredibly useful. Hertz famously commented about the discovery of radio waves: “I do not think that the wireless waves I have discovered will have any practical application.”

Are there examples like this in math as well? What is the most interesting "pure math" discovery that proved to be useful in solving a real-world problem?

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I work with a guy who is a math whiz and loves to talk. Yesterday while I was invoicing clients, he was telling me how origami is much more effective for solving geometry than a compass and a straight edge.

I'll ask him this question.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

My disclaimer: I don't know what any of this means, but it might give you a direction to start your research.

First thing he came up with is Number Theory, and how they've been working on that for centuries, but they never would have imagined that it would be the basis of modern encryption. Multiplying a HUGE prime number with any other numbers is incredibly easy, but factoring the result into those same numbers is near impossible (within reasonable time constraints.)

He said something about knot theory and bacterial proteins, but it was too far above my head to even try to relay how that's relevant.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tell him I would like to subscribe to his blog

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The following aren't necessarily answers to your question, but he also mentioned these, and they are way too funny to not share:

The Hairy Ball theorem

Cox Ring

Tits Alternative

Wiener Measure

The Cox-Zucker machine (although this was in the 70s and it's rumored that Cox did most of the work and chose his partner ONLY for the name. 😂)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Origami can be used as a basis for geometry:

http://origametry.net/omfiles/geoconst.html

IIRC, you can do things that are impossible in standard Euclidean construction, such as squaring the circle. It also has more axioms than Euclidean construction, so maybe it's not a completely fair comparison.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I recall correctly, one mathematician in the 1800s solved a very difficult line integral, and the first application of it was in early computer speech synthesis.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

The exact example I also thought of from the question! Well done

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Quake, not Doom. Doom didn't use true 3D rendering and had almost no dynamic lighting.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

IIRC quaternions were considered pretty useless until we started doing 3D stuff on computers and now they're used everywhere

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This talk by Freya Holmer on Quarternions is awesome and worth anybody’s time that like computer graphics, computer science, or just math.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder if complex numbers predate the discovery of electromagnetism

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Yes, mathematicians first encountered equations which could only be solved with complex numbers in the 16th century.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Complex numbers. Also known as imaginary numbers. The imaginary number i is the solution to √-1. And it is really used in quantum mechanics and I think general relativity as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A complex number is just two real numbers stitched together. It's used in many areas, such as the Fourier transform which is common in computer science is often represented with complex numbers because it deals with waves and waves are two-dimensional, and so rather than needing two different equations you can represent it with a single equation where the two-dimensional behavior occurs on the complex-plane.

In principle you can always just split a complex number into two real numbers and carry on the calculation that way. In fact, if we couldn't, then no one would use complex numbers, because computers can't process imaginary numbers directly. Every computer program that deals with complex numbers, behind the scenes, is decomposing it into two real-valued floating point numbers.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

It's used extensively in electronic circuit design (where it's called "j", as "i' already meant electronic current).

Also signal processing has i or j all over it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I’m the akshually guy here, but complex numbers are the combination of a real number and an imaginary number. Agree with you, just being pedantic.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Electromagnetics as well.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Non-linear equations have entered the chat.

Chaos and non-linear dynamics were treated as a toy or curiosity for a pretty long time, probably in no small part due to the complexity involved. It's almost certainly no accident that the first serious explorations of it after Poincare happen after the advent of computers.

So, one place where non-linear dynamics ended up having applications was in medicine. As I recall it from James Gleick's book Chaos, inspired by recent discussion of Chaotic behavior in non-linear systems, medical doctors came up with the idea of electrical defibrillation- a way to reset the heart to a ground state and silence chaotic activity in lethal dysrhythmias that prevented the heart from functioning correctly.

Fractals also inspired some file compression algorithms, as I recall, and they also provide a useful means of estimating the perimeters of irregular shapes.

Also, there's always work being done on turbulence, especially in the field of nuclear fusion as plasma turbulence seems to have a non-trivial impact on how efficiently a reactor can fuse plasma.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A good friend of mine from high school got his physics PhD at University of Texas and went on to work in the high energy plasma physics lab there with the Texas Petawatt laser, and a lot of the experiments it was used for involved plasma turbulence and determining what path energetic particles would take in a hypothetical fusion reactor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Be honest, how many unofficial experiments were there?

You ever just start lasering shit for kicks?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Probably not as many as we'd like to think. I recently got to run a few days of tests at Lawrence Livermore National Labs with an absurdly massive laser. At one point we needed to bring in a small speaker for an audio test. It took the lab techs and managers about two hours and a couple phone calls to some higher ups to make sure it was ok and wouldn't damage anything. There's so much red tape and procedure in the way that I don't think there's an opportunity to just fuck around. The laser has irreplaceable parts that people aren't willing to jeopardize. Newer or smaller lasers are going to be more relaxed. This one is old enough to be my father, and it's LLNL's second biggest single laser iirc. And they are the lab using lasers for fusion, so they have big lasers.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've read that all modern cryptography is based on an area (number theory?) that was once only considered "useful" for party tricks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

prime number factorization is the basis of assymetric cryptography. basically, if I start with two large prime numbers (DES was 56bit prime numbers iirc), and multiply them, then the only known solution to find the original prime numbers is guess-and-check. modern keys use 4096-bit keys, and there are more prime numbers in that space than there are particles in the universe. using known computation methods, there is no way to find these keys before the heat death of the universe.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

DES is symmetric key cryptography. It doesn't rely on the difficulty of factorizing large semi-primes. It did use a 56-bit key, though.

Public key cryptography (DSA, RSA, Elliptic Curve) does rely on these things and yes it's a 4096-bit key these days (up from 1024 in the older days).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Not math but the discovery of Thermus aquaticus was seemingly useless but later had profound applications in medicine. There's a good Veritasium video on it

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Donuts were basis of the math that would enable a planned economy to be more efficient than a market economy (which is a very hard linear algebra problem).

Basically using that, your smart phone is powerful enough to run a planned economy with 30 million unique products and services. An average desktop computer would be powerful enough to run a planned economy with 400 million unique products and services.

Odd that knowledge about it has been actively suppressed since it was discovered in the 1970s but actively used mega-corporations ever since…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Maybe they're scared that project Cybersyn would actually work

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd like to read up on this if you have sources

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look up Wassily Wassilyevich Leontief

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's pretty interesting. Do you happen to have any introductory material to that topic?

I mean, it might even have applications outside of running a techno-communist nation state. For example, for designing economic simulation game mechanics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Well Wassily Wassilyevich Leontief won a Nobel prize in economics for his work on this subject that might help you get started

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