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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  1. Fuck Meta.
  2. This particular issue is one where the Canadian government has made a terrible law that deserves pushback.
  3. Fuck Meta.
[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Strongly agreed. I think a lot of commenters in this thread are getting derailed by their feelings towards Meta. This is truly a dumb, dumb law and it's extremely embarrassing that it even passed.

It's not just Meta. No company wants to comply with this poorly thought out law, written by people who apparently have no idea how the internet works.

I think most of the people in the comments cheering this on haven't read the bill. It requires them to pay news sites to link to the news site. Which is utterly insane. Linking to news sites is a win win. It means Facebook or Google gets to show relevant content and the news site gets users. This bill is going to hurt Canadian news sites because sites like Google and Facebook will avoid linking to them.

[–] TheRaven 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right. It’s like if I stand at a street corner telling people to try out a local restaurant. And then the local restaurant says that I should be charged to recommend them. It makes no sense.

I hate Meta, but this is just a dumb law.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's worse.

The preview Facebook or whoever is providing is the content the site literally explicitly provided for the purpose of linking to their website. It's like the restaurant gave you a stack of flyers then tried to charge you for handing them out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is it actually a provided preview, or a preview they are generating.

I know part of the legit problem is when a website summarizes something and then people don't click on the link, which reduces ad revenue.

But maybe there's a provided summary (which should be fine) and the other way it gets summarized (which could arguably be deemed bad)

But making them pay to just link with is batshit insane.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They'll do a really empty stub I think, but all the fancy previews are tags sites add that are basically "when you link to me, could you show me like this?"

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/what-is-open-graph-and-how-can-i-use-it-for-my-website/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ya, if the news organizations are using open graph and that's all Google and Facebook and whoever are using that's stupid.

Show our preview so people will click the link! OH NO our preview is too good and people aren't clicking the link! Government make them pay us!

[–] Adderbox76 6 points 2 years ago

I don't disagree.

But where I see a small nugget of good intent in this law is in the fact that I'd be willing to wager a very large percentage of people read the blurb on Facebook, which summarizes the entire story, and never click over to the actual article, thereby robbing the news site of ad revenue.

This isn't (supposed to) be about paying to post links. It's about paying to summarize their content so that users don't have to leave Facebook.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

This will essentially break Google News and the like in Canada. It's idiotic in so many ways.

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[–] Bad_company_daps 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly I just hope this backfires and less Canadians end up using Facebook, we'd definitely be much better off

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I haven't knowingly used a Facebook/Meta product in many years and my life is better for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Me too. Facebook is the craigslist of Social Networks. Hard to go more than two posts without running into a scam or a business.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I used to work consumer help desk and 90% of the actual virus problems people brought in their machines for were from Facebook ads.

The site is riddled.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I read that as you want Canadians off of FB because they're spoiling it, lol.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People aren't seeing the forest for the trees here. Yeah, nobody likes Meta, but the larger impact of Bill C18 will be that sources like Google and other large aggregators will stop allowing links to legitimate news sources, and instead be flooded by blogspam and misinformation.

People won't suddenly be navigating to The Toronto Star when they don't get news on the latest updates in say the Corona virus in their immediate Google results, they'll just continue to click on through to whatever sketchy source manages to SEO their way to the top instead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

This is a problem that the "legitimate news sources" created and they will need to ask to remove the laws they asked for in the first place if they want their viewership to come back.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh no. Millions of users are going to have to get their news from off facebook! What facebook stuff they do see is going to require they actually click through and view the website instead of reading a blurb and a headline so the site gets its deserved page views.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, they won't be able to get their news from "news outlets" specifically linked on Facebook. They will still be able to get their news from other sources on Facebook.

Not sure if that's actually an improvement though.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Don't threaten me with a good time, Mark.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

let's just end Meta, period. Thanks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

That'd be the dream.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Can we spin off their VR headsets first, and THEN end Meta?

[–] ram 9 points 2 years ago

Good. Bye Meta.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] AlternateRoute 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

According to bill C-18 lemmy.ca now owes CBC for the link you just posted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

.. But I posted it using kbin :)

How are they gonna invoice this one?

[–] AlternateRoute 2 points 2 years ago (11 children)

They will charge the instance hosting the link. Like they where going to charge Facebook not the users.

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[–] Grant_M 1 points 2 years ago

You are lying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m sure Canada will be better off for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How will Canada be better off?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Canadians won’t be getting their news from Facebook. Hopefully, it will drive people to actual news sites or aggregators where they can click and read the news and be informed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But they can still get news from Facebook, they just won't be getting it from "news outlets" specifically.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wish it went further than that. That’s kinda sad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Further than that" meaning banning links in general?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Works for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

They did this in Australia but Australia’s law was actually good

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Facebook might actually be usable. Honestly jealous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Seriously, I have FB since 2008 or so, and I don't care at all about this. I don't have my news through FB...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@aranym Can we get this globally?? Then perhaps more people would get their news from actual sources and not blindly trust a random link on a social platform.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Isn't this the opposite of what's happening? Facebook posts can't contain links to "actual sources" but can contain "random links"?

[–] Grant_M 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All META and other billionaire anti-democracy thieves have to do is pay their fair share. I support this 100%. Fuck Zuckerberg and greeder tech bros. #BoycottMETA

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