Aw, ok. Keep up the enthusiasm!!
You're exactly right, @cosmo. PR isn't mentioned in the video specifically - it's primarily about voting mechanisms (how voters express preferences) rather than seat allocation methods (how those preferences translate to representation).
The video does contain some inaccuracies. At 1:19, it claims FPTP is used in 44 countries, but fails to mention that most democracies use some form of proportional representation. And it conflates ranked-choice voting with instant-runoff voting, which leads to confusion.
The key insight is that proportionality and ballot type are separate issues:
- You can have proportional systems using various ballot types (ranked, rated, or simple choice)
- What makes a system proportional is how votes translate to seats, not how preferences are marked
You're absolutely correct that approval voting (a rated system) can be adapted for proportional representation through systems like Proportional Approval Voting or Satisfaction Approval Voting. Similarly, ranked ballots can be used in proportional systems like Single Transferable Vote (STV).
The fundamental question isn't which ballot type to use, but whether the system ensures that citizens get the representation they voted for. In our current system, roughly half of all valid votes elect nobody at all.
As you say - moving toward less suboptimal is worthwhile! And on that metric, proportional representation clearly outperforms our current system.
That Veritasium video is specifically about Arrow's Impossibility Theorem, which demonstrates that no ranked voting system can satisfy all ideal criteria simultaneously. You're misrepresenting its conclusions if you think it argues against proportional representation.
The video explicitly states at 18:44: "If there are three or more candidates to choose from, there is no ranked-choice method to rationally aggregate voter preferences."
But here's what the video actually concludes at 19:40:
"Arrow's Impossibility Theorem only applies to ordinal voting systems, ones in which the voters rank candidates over others. There is another way: rated voting systems."
The key distinction is that while no system is perfect, some systems are definitely better than others. At 21:11, it specifically notes that "some methods are clearly better at aggregating the people's preferences than others," and at 21:21 states that "the use of first past the post voting feels quite frankly ridiculous to me, given all of its flaws."
Importantly, not all proportional representation systems involve ranking. Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) uses two separate votes rather than having voters rank candidates, so Arrow's theorem doesn't even apply to this form of PR.
Under our current FPTP system, approximately 50% of perfectly valid ballots have zero effect on election outcomes. In the 2022 Ontario election alone, about 2.5 million votes (54% of those cast) elected nobody at all.
Rather than vaguely suggesting "something more modern," what specific system are you proposing that would better ensure citizens get the representation they deserve? Proportional representation isn't perfect, but it solves the fundamental democratic problem that FPTP creates: millions of citizens having no representation aligned with their political values.
The fundamental democratic principle remains simple: in a democracy, citizens are deserving of and entitled to representation in government. Only PR consistently delivers on this principle.
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keep up the good work!
p.s. I'm secretly working on something more impactful… stay tuned.
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If you get a shot and you don’t take it, you’re out.
Nice! And if you need more ideas, get started with this link: Simple things you can do right now, to grow the proportional representation movement—so we never have to vote for the lesser of the evils, have a two party system, "split the vote", or strategic vote.
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