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[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

It escapes me too.

On forums I read, there are always people defending them (there is even one guy asking for more!). The reasoning is particularly shallow, it always boils down to "there has to be stages for sprinters". Myself, I don't call this an argument, I call it a postulate.

This year, I haven't heard the argument that I used to hear: that these stages were 'transition' stages, connecting dots on the map to 'advance' on the global course of the tour without huge bus transfers. It was untrue 3 out of 4 times. Firstly, they often loop around, or go backwards, and do not participate to a logical geographical progression. Secondly, tours are not tours any more, they don't circle around a country or region, they are big spaghetti messes trying to build something out of a reduced list of towns who can pay the required bill, so the notion of progression is rather moot.

If we look at the general map, the stages of today and tomorrow can be seen as transition stages. But that's only because they insisted on going into Brittany for a single stage, and then in the Massif Central for a single stage too; while they spent the first 3 days in the North without progressing by an inch (despite 2 sprinters stages out of those first 3 stages: those were definitely not transition stages). Between Brittany and Massif Central, the landscape is pretty flat; however you could find a few hills and a few valley slopes if you wanted.

Keeping Brittany and Massif Central, they could have done only 1 stage in the North, then the rest of the stages would have been two days earlier (meaning those 2 flat stages would not have happened during week-end), and then added 1 or 2 hilly or medium-altitude mountain stages in the Massif Central before the rest day.

More radically, they could have put the rest day on Friday or Saturday and removed those 2 flat transition stages altogether, restarting a new sequence from the Massif Central, and eventually adding a sprinter stage at the end of this sequence after the Pyrenees, when sprinters teams are cooked and there can be a fight between breakaways and sprinters teams. It would have been OK with UCI rules (first rest day must be later than 5^th^ day) and better balanced than as it is now with 10 days in the first sequence and only 5 in the second!

 

Sunday 13: 13:10–13:25 → 17:05–17:30

Another flat stage for sprinters which, this time, might be disturbed by potential crosswinds/echelons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It make me think of Pacher (FDJ) who pulled the head group before the climb. What was the goal? Did he believe a fast approach would help Grégoire compared to the other guys? Why would it help him?

The actual result is that it enlarged the gap with his leader G. Martin who has crashed... And Grégoire cracked in the climb.

So I imagine, it was simply a case of "Damn, I am in a reduced head group with most favourites, I won't be able to do anything in the climb, so it is my last chance to act". Even if the action makes no sense, he showed he worked. That's my theory for this case 😀

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's possible. Attacking his opponents on the terrain most suitable for them would be another misjudgement of his capacities and the capacities of his opponents, but anyway both our theories imply a misjudgement 😀

 

Saturday 12: 13:10–13:25 → 17:05–17:25)

Good news for people who are working: they can spend the week-end outdoors, no need to watch the TV. In a strange move by an organiser who, consistently for over a decade, had created a stereotyped course design by placing (expected) spectacular stages on each week-end, both stages this week-end will be pure sprinter stages, as flat as possible. Considering that the opening Saturday was already a stage for sprinters, that's 3 out of 4 week-end days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah, we usually don't get the sound, so it had a greater impression of reality this time. Pure sound of bikes crashing (and no holler at all). The Jayco guy at the back crashed without being touched by anyone, just thanks to his disc brakes.


I don't understand what Evenepoel expected to do. He had managed to reach the flamme rouge ahead, by pacing the group on his own terms. This was a tipping point with the slope getting easier after that, so I thought he would attack there as this the exact type of effort where he shines usually when others need a bit of rest. But no, he waited for the sprint. Is this another case of him falsely believing he's got a sprint? I thought he would finally have understood he hasn't any.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

At the intermediate sprint, Q. Simmons had to wait before the line because he finally noticed that he had significantly dropped all the sprinters whom he was supposed to pull 🤣 He really is in a brilliant form.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Beware: today, the race starts and finishes earlier than on the previous days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Pogatchar: what did he do in the end? Did he want to keep the jersey or not? Weird again.

It seems that except for the last metres, it was Visma who accelerated in the last 2 climbs. And we couldn't understand what happened because the TV director decided never to show a few seconds of it in 10 or 20 km... (Same problem we had with the TV directors of spring classics who preferred to stay 80% on a solo guy and 19% on a chasing duo whose positions have been fixed for good for 1 hour, and not show at all what could happen behind, where things could still happen.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Vauquelin (🇫🇷 Arkéa) was forbidden to break away by UAE who chased him every time he attempted something. Pogatchar🇸🇮 himself jumped in his wheel one or two times. Very weird.

As far as sprinters go, I had missed the climb to the finish line 👎 😁

At least I got Healy (🇮🇪 EF) right 👍 And damn he was in shape! The first breakaway, then a few tries, then the final breakaway which had to fight for 40 or 50 km just 5 to 20 seconds before the peloton, then the final solo where he kept on increasing the gap with his former colleagues who were not random riders.

Van der Poel (🇳🇱 Alpecin) helpless in the last 20 km or so, struggling to finish last man of the breakaway. Probably the heat, because he hadn't made the early efforts Healy and Q. Simmons (🇺🇸 Lidl-Trek) made. Q. Simmons was in a great shape too, I would have thought that Storer (🇦🇺 Tudor) would have won their duel for second place.

Pogatchar: what did he do in the end? Did he want to keep the jersey or not? Weird again.

Martin (🇫🇷 FDJ) loses 20 seconds in the final climb, Skjelmose (🇩🇰 Lidl-Trek) 40.

 

Friday 11: 12:10–12:25 → 16:40–17:05

Another stage for punchers, with the now classical ending on the circuit of Mûr de Bretagne.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Healy indeed made the first attempt with Q. Simmons right after the intermediate sprint. Before that, nobody tried as the sprinters teams made it clear they would pull and if necessary chase. They stayed ahead (joined by an Astana and Campenaerts) a dozen km before getting caught near the top of the first 3^rd^ category climb. Then many attempts were made. What seemed to be the true breakaway started just after the second 3^rd^ cat. climn, a group of 5 with Van der Poel and again Q. Simmons and Healy. However counter-attacks never stopped and the groups was a few seconds from being caught up a couple of times, which allowed a few extra riders to jump and join the breakaway. It is only after 100 km into the stage that the peloton gave up!

This was a typical case of all teams willing to go into a breakaway on the same day and not on other days...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, it’s natural to have bad days, not natural to be in tip-top shape 8 months of the year

Pogatchar doesn't take part in many days of racing, though (neither does Vingegaard). Despite riding 2 Grand Tours last year, he ended up with less than 60 race days. This year he only rode the equivalent of 3 weeks before starting the Tour of France. Even Roglitch who is very often injured, thus needs to abandon races and requires recovery time, rides a bit more than Pogatchar.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He seems to always start like a maniac, and it always looks like he's lucky not to hit every fence and wall in the first half-mile. It doesn't always translate into a good time however (like Vingegaard seemed to start very quickly today, yet even the first timings were not good).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Did Vingegaard tell something to explain his mediocre performance?

 

Thrusday 10: 12:35–12:45 → 17:15–17:40

It looks like another stage for punchers, but will they be stars of the punch again, or could some breakaway men with some punch (like Healy in his in-shape version) compete? Or might a few sprinters (like Groves) make it through the last climbs?

 

Wednesday 9: 13:10 → 17:45

French Caen-Caen

The first individual Time Trial. Basically all flat, it is rather long compared to many others nowadays.

Rankings:

1- Van der Poel🇳🇱 & Pogatchar🇸🇮
3- Vingegaard🇩🇰 at 8″
4- Jorgenson🇺🇸 at 19″
5- Vauquelin🇫🇷 at 26″
6- Mas🇪🇸 at 48″
7- Onley🇬🇧 & Almeida at 55″
9- Evenepoel🇧🇪 at 58″
10- Skjelmose🇩🇰 at 1′02″

 

Tuesday 8: 13:15–13:35 → 17:20–17:45

The alternation continues: this stage shall be a puncher stage.

 

Monday 7: 13:10–13:25 → 17:15-17:40

Another climb of Mount Cassel, but again 30 km from the finish line. Therefore it should end up with a bunch sprint, among a bunch perhaps reduced by echelons.

 

Sunday 6: 12:15–12:35 → 17h20:17h50 (edit: start was delayed by 15 mn)

A stage arriving on the English Channel coast, for punchers normally.

 

As the mutants are still on the Critérium du Dauphiné which overlaps with this race (for one day!), this Tour de Suisse should be much more open.

Skjelmose🇩🇰, who won the race 2 years ago, should have been the main favourite but he isn't showing up on this race either, after cancelling his participation on the Dauphiné. Therefore, Almeida (🇵🇹 UAE) becomes the favourite.


PCS profiles: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-suisse/2025/route/stage-profiles

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