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Do you seriously believe that there's not a single man, in the whole wide world, who has your back?

Not sure exactly how the lemmy.ca community came to be but I suppose it's a continuation of the subreddit, vox has the original story in form of an interview:

I had gotten really into observing the online gender wars. It was entertaining for a while, and then it started to get pretty depressing. You had people on both sides of these issues who are passionate about the parts that they care about — but what they're really passionate about is arguing, and making the other side look bad.

After a while, I realized that I either needed to stop observing it or I needed to try to help fix it. So I started thinking that what we needed was an actual solutions- and positivity-focused men's group, where we could talk about these issues that are so important but ditch some of the bad habits of what we've seen before.

One of the main points of discipline of /r/menslib back on reddit and now here is to avoid, at all costs, saying "all feminists", as more MRAy places are prone to do, which in turn do tend to have a discipline regarding "all women", that'd be incel and Tate bro talk. Maybe such an approach could be mirrored and cause something beautiful. Like a disarmament treaty of sorts.

Feminism has a lot of narrative power, and the whole middle management not just of individual companies but society as a whole is, by now, female-dominated.

If you're getting laid off chances are a women wrote the reports that the layoff was based on, and a woman is signing off on your severance package. You go to the dole office and -- yep, a woman works your case. Chances also aren't too terrible that, above the layer of the predominantly male C-suite, there's an heiress to the empire because generational capital accumulation doesn't discriminate.

So, in a nutshell: Much feminist messaging can easily come across as HR telling a male truck driver "our boss is a man, therefore, you're fired".

Whether that power base can actually be, realistically, mobilised, is another topic. I guess academia in principle serves the place for middle management that unions play among workers but it's a tough cookie no matter which side you look at. Doubly fucked in places like the US where middle management is even more prone to the temporarily embarrassed billionaire fantasy. And somehow I ended up at class analysis. Honestly, wasn't intentional.

Men's lib, as in the term at least, is as old as second-wave feminism. This is a place to talk about men's issues that doesn't bash feminism. At least not more than feminism bashes itself, that is, which can be a lot. Also not a place to be a pickme.

Nope that was me myself. It's very much "men should pick up the bill or get lost" type stuff though so I connected it with your "expect to earn more" thing.

I mean, sure. In this context in particularly though what I'm disappointed by is the cluelessness of self-identified feminists: As you yourself said in your other comment the "sprinkle sprinkle" sphere isn't exactly feminist, going exactly against the adjustments of expectations feminism wants to make among women, then comes along drizzle drizzle to make fun of sprinkle sprinkle, very much in line with feminist thought (though with male humour and camaraderie) and they just don't get it. Complete woosh.

...or, <conspiracy_mode=on>, they do get it but play clueless to not have it publicly associated with feminism so that it can be more effective in influencing culture. 1d chess, 4d chess, who can tell the difference.

Capitalism is feudalism with rule by grace of money instead of grace of god. Don't confuse it with having a market economy, especially a well-regulated one: Capitalism is when there's unbridled capital accumulation, unbridled accumulation of economical and political power. Capitalism is when the 0.1% exist and, in the broader sense, capitalism is that set of memes which infect the majority to put up with that nonsense.

Ukraine didn't even want to join NATO. Before the invasion, that is. Also Russia doesn't get to tell other countries which alliances it can and cannot join, what are you, an imperialist or something?

Absolutely fair price, given that it looks quite hand-made and labour intensive. If you just want something sweet get a Kanelsnegle. Or better yet hop over the border into Schleswig-Holstein and get a Franzbrötchen. We also have better red grit.

I think people downvote quite more readily to show disagreement here, not in the least because downvoted comments don't get buried.

And, like, seriously. If you can't even muster thoughts and prayers, if you can't even muster being indifferent, can't muster simply not leaving a comment at all, but have to shout your disapproval of Ukraine existing as a sovereign state from the rooftops, you're an asshole. Unambiguously.

In this case, probably an attention troll.

But that’s not women’s fault,

I think at this point it's time to take a step back and say "not all women".

The reaction to "drizzle drizzle" has been particularly telling in this regard: You can scroll through miles of comments of feminists^1^ trying to analyse the thing as "a movement", not really knowing what to make of it, where to put it, you can scroll through just as much mileage of "these men are gay" tiktoks from, well, the kind of women drizzle drizzle is taking the piss out of. And you'll also see reactions from women totally getting it: The ones who can't help but laugh along. Which is the only way to take this seriously.

The enforcement of patriarchy, or consumerism, whatever you want to call it and however you want to slice it, is not a particularly gendered thing. Just because you belong to an identifiable group doesn't mean that your actions or opinions are beneficial to that group. That would presume people to not be idiots which is never a safe assumption to make, present company and myself included.

^1^ "feminist" as in "contains the word feminist in the subreddit name" and suchlike. Not intended to be a deep analysis of the *isms.