irrelevant metric? that's an interesting reality you have going there, watch you don't step outside cause it might break. You give no proof to your claims unlike I did. Looking at the list many of the unticked features have already been implemented, maybe most of them. I could go through one by and one with proof but won't bother as you clearly have not either.
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Which follows the rule that centralization is easier than decentralization, because p2p is more decentralized.
exactly, and the company behind element already surprisingly seems quite financially successful so I doubt this much money will change things massively.
NEW VECTOR LIMITED is located in LONDON, United Kingdom and is part of the Computer Systems Design and Related Services Industry. NEW VECTOR LIMITED has 16 employees at this location and generates $5.18 million in sales (USD). (Employees figure is estimated, Sales figure is modelled).
This is also all with the support of the core people behind matrix and element, so if anything was nefarious it would be stuffed either way as the team would be corrupt.
https://matrix.org/blog/2021/07/27/element-raises-30-m-to-boost-matrix
Money is good as a function of our economy, but the issue you point out is concerning. It really depends on the conditions attached to the funding, like will it compromise the project somehow. The funding is just as likely to be from an intelligence agencies VC arm to alter the code for their benefit. I have seen mentions that Matrix is being used now in things that "can't" be mentioned. Ideally open source should be able to circumvent such interference but not easily I think.
and it was last edited 2.5 years ago, element has surely changed a lot since then.
Moderators are globally set just on that one instance (or really it's an interface or frontend), but also changeable by the users but also depending how the instance is setup. The way they are doing the data it is all shared in blockchains so in that sense it is a blob, but depending on each user and how they have that content curated would change the interactions user to user. In theory you will have groups oblivious to other groups but users within them that cross over between and become social bridges. The network is the people. My idea is that these human bridges will eventually lower barriers between users blocking each other and change minds. The end result is a more connected less divided social platform and so too society. Following the axiom that communication solves all problems. By putting the barriers to communication into the users hands instead of third parties he will have control to remove them.
Yes matrix's new slim dendrite server is being worked on with the intention for it to be used in p2p. I get there is many possible implementations of federation and I am totally down to take on 'big tech' it's just to do that I think you not only need to match them but bring something better and I am not entirely seeing that yet. In fact I am even seeing subpar things like discoverablity, fragmentation, performance, complications like to all the rules and instances.
I am not arguing its not transparent just its not ideal. I think matrix users are way over stated. That link was good having a view for threads to make them into chats is a good idea.
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Good points you make, whitelisting is powerful that way making closed communities. I wonder if lemmy will ever have encrypted communities?
Funny I just watched you make 2 edits while I was reading which impressed me with lemmy's update speed. Its making matrix look slow.
Yes use case is important I think adding features and choice and letting users work it out is a good path. Something good would be serverless communities, matrix needs that for some rooms especially with p2p.
Much of this has already been done. Element app just got 30million dollars and looks like it's on the path to main stream adoption and tackle some of the bigtech out there. It would be great if lemmy and forums could hop on their coat tails for the ride
forget discord get on matrix!
Its a difficult concept to get, one because it has yet to really exist in any meaningful way, like with a platform with say 50k or more users and because of the terminology used. Moderation is a bad describer of it except it has much the same use and effect but with differences. It would be better described as 'filters'. Filters would also be a good describer for what are block and white lists.
I dont particularly care on classifications, its just like different languages to me. To use your list its all 3, the instance can implement a central control but uses can switch instance and have the same content, or the instance may allow their control to be altered, like disabled or changed. Users can use lists made by others, to which they may as well help in making and users may also have their own lists. The concept should expand to include multiple lists block and white working against each other in priorities, and the lists work against not just users but any individual piece of content and it could and should I think be expanded to include editorial changes, annotations. Things like rather than hiding content pointing out problems with it, grassroots factchecking etc. To me its an incredibly adaptive and dynamic concept, which must be hard to implement or surely someone whould have tried long ago.
Currently on discussions.app content and users can only be hidden, the instance or interface has some moderators as fixed defaults for doing this but previously and the same I am told will occur soon is logged in users may unselect any of these moderators or add their own, and currently you can do your own moderation. Moderators can also be in control of a community and so using that community will use that moderation. The idea is all moderation is done on a consensual basis with each user, the platform then becomes individualized for each user. Rather than looking for instances you will just look for the communities and more so in the future the moderators. The simplest way would be you grow a follow list similar to your moderator list, but hopefully those lists become tradable at some point.
TLDR
Sorry for the long text. In short user controlled and collaborated and sharable filter lists is what I am talking about.