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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

Note: I'll use "Language" (capital L) to refer to the human ability, and "language" (minuscule l) to refer to specific implementations of that ability (stuff like Mandarin, Spanish, English, Arabic etc.)

Cool research, with shitty press coverage. The paper itself is rather careful on claiming that humans 135kya already had linguistic capacity; but the coverage is adding a lot of bullshit that leans into Proto-World quackery.

They reasoned that since all human languages likely have a common origin—as the researchers strongly think—the key question is how far back in time regional groups began spreading around the world.

This could be true but we should not assume that it is true, without ruling out other possibilities. In fact Miyagawa rather carefully hints those, when he says that "Language is both a cognitive system and a communication system," [...] "My guess is prior to 135,000 years ago, it did start out as a private cognitive system, but relatively quickly that turned into a communications system."

"The logic is very simple," says Shigeru Miyagawa, an MIT professor and co-author of a new paper summarizing the results. // "Every population branching across the globe has human language, and all languages are related."

Pick any creole of your choice. Focus on its syntax. Now look at the syntax of the lexifier languages. Done, the bolded statement is proven false.

Like many linguists, Miyagawa believes all human languages are demonstrably related to each other, something he has examined in his own work. For instance, in his 2010 book, "Why Agree? Why Move?" he analyzed previously unexplored similarities between English, Japanese, and some of the Bantu languages. There are more than 7,000 identified human languages around the globe.

Emphasis mine. To be frank this is smelling as fishy as those guys who claim to have reconstructed Proto-World from some random modern languages.

When you're trying to understand the languages of the past, you don't simply pick random modern languages and look for similarities. You pick the oldest varieties you have at your disposal, attested or reconstructed - because if they inherited something from their potential common ancestor, it'll be easier to see, and you'll get less noise being introduced by random mutations.

Try comparing Proto-Indo-European, Proto-Japonic and Proto-Niger-Congo instead.

"Human language is qualitatively different because there are two things, words and syntax, working together to create this very complex system," Miyagawa says. "No other animal has a parallel structure in their communication system. And that gives us the ability to generate very sophisticated thoughts and to communicate them to others."

You see the elements in the non-linguistic communication of other animals. For example, dolphins seem to have the ability to use some really primitive grammar. It is by no means Language proper but it shows that the difference is not qualitative - it's quantitative.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not annoyed by cross-posts, but I've seen plenty other users who are, to the point that IMO this issue should be addressed.

I don't have a good solution for that though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep reporting. Eventually admins will find some pattern on the IPs being used, and not even allow the bot to register back.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

When people leave home, Siegfrieda often meows loudly. Either towards the door or towards whoever is still home - as if saying "they're abandoning us, do something about it!".

But it's really loud, to the point of being annoying. And this week Kika got enough of this shit: once Frieda started meowing, Kika jumped off her cardboard box, pawed Frieda on the head twice, then went back to her box. As if saying "enough of this drama dammit, the human is back soon."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Got Nicole'd twice, last time ~a hour ago.

My guess is that the scammer is simply hitting random Fediverse people, with no meaningful pattern besides "some post/comment activity".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Football fans tend to not care about jack shit. You could see the world literally burning and they'll say "b-but the game..."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sic semper salatis!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I hope that it haunts OpenAI.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I cannot think of any language besides English in which an “f” can be written as “ph”.

Latin. In fact it's where this mess started out.

Ancient Greek had a three-way distinction between the following sets of consonants:

  • ⟨Φ Θ Χ⟩ /pʰ tʰ kʰ/ - they sound like English pill, till, kill; there's a clear asphhhhiration in them
  • ⟨Π Τ Κ⟩ /p t k/ - they sound like English spill, still, skill; no aspiration
  • ⟨Β Δ Γ⟩ /b d g/ - more like English bill, dill, give; instead of aspiration you vibrate the vocal folds before the consonant even starts

Latin borrowed a lot of Greek words. The words with the second and third set of consonants were no problem; they were mostly spelled in Latin with ⟨P T C⟩ and ⟨B D G⟩. But Latin didn't have the sounds of the first set, and for Latin speaking ears they sounded like they had /h/. So they were spelled with ⟨PH TH CH⟩, to represent that /h/ sound.

So back then the digraphs still made sense... except that Greek changed over time. And what used to be pronounced /pʰ tʰ kʰ/ ended as /f θ x/ (like English fill, think, and Scottish loch). And Latin speakers started pronouncing those words with the "new" Greek sounds instead of the old ones. But they were still spelling them the same.

From that that ⟨PH⟩ spread out across a lot of orthographies using the Latin alphabet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Italian and Spanish subbed ⟨PH⟩ with ⟨F⟩ ages ago; examples here and here. Portuguese stopped using it in 1911 (ACL / "European" standard) asd 1943 (ABL / "Brazilian") standard.

In Portuguese it was part of a wider wave of orthographic reforms, that also got rid of etymological double consonants and ⟨Y⟩. A lot of people were hilariously annoyed, example stolen from Wikipedia:

Imaginem esta palavra phase, escripta assim: fase. Não nos parece uma palavra, parece-nos um esqueleto (...) Affligimo-nos extraordinariamente, quando pensamos que haveriamos de ser obrigados a escrever assim!

Imagine this word phase, written like this: fase. It doesn't resemble us a word, it resemble us a skeleton. (...) We get profoundly afflicted, when we think that we would be required to write it like this!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

It depends on the amount of errors and if you used the -verbose option.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

The opposite, it ultimately comes from a Chinese language via Portuguese.

 

This infographic is still incomplete; I'm posting it here in the hope that I can get some feedback about it. It has three goals:

  1. To explain what federation is. No technobabble, just a simple analogy with houses and a neighbourhood.
  2. To explain why federation is good for users.
  3. [TODO] Specific info about the Fediverse, plus some really simple FAQ.

Criticism is welcome as long as constructive.

EDIT: OK, too much text. I'm clipping as much as I can.

 

This is not some sort of fancy new development, but it's such a classical experiment that it's always worth sharing IMO. Plus it's fun.

When you initially mix both solutions, nothing seems to happen. But once you wait a wee bit, the colour suddenly changes, from transparent to a dark blue.

There are a bunch of variations of this reaction, but they all boil down to the same things:

  • iodide - at the start of the reaction, it'll flip back and forth between iodide (I⁻) and triiodide ([I₃]⁻)
  • starch - it forms a complex with triiodide, with the dark blue colour you see in the video. But only with triiodide; iodide is left alone. So it's effectively an indicator for the triiodide here.
  • some reducing agent - NileRed used vitamin C (aka ascorbic acid; C₆H₈O₆), but it could be something like thiosulphate (S₂O₃²⁻) instead. The job of the reducing agent is to oxidise the triiodide back to iodide.
  • some oxidiser - here it's the hydrogen peroxide (H₂O₂) but it could be something like chlorate (ClO₃⁻) instead. Its main job is to oxidise the iodide to triiodide. You need more than enough oxidiser to be able to fully oxidise the reducing agent, plus a leftover.

"Wait a minute, why are there a reducing agent and an oxidiser, doing opposite things? They should cancel each other out!" - well, yes! However this does not happen instantaneously. And eventually the reducing agent will run dry (as long as there's enough oxidiser), the triiodide will pile up, react with the starch and you'll get the blue colour.

Here are simplified versions of the main reactions:

  1. 3I⁻ + H₂O₂ → [I₃]⁻ + 2OH⁻
  2. [I₃]⁻ + C₆H₈O₆ + 2H₂O → 3I⁻ + C₆H₆O₆ + 2H₃O⁺

(C₆H₆O₆ = dehydroascorbic acid) Eventually #2 stops happening because all vitamin C was consumed, so the triiodide piles up, reacts with the starch, and suddenly blue:

 

EDIT: @[email protected] shared something that might help to circumvent this shit:

Contained in these parentheses is a zero-width joiner: (​)

Basically, add those to whatever you feel that might be filtered out, then remove the parentheses. The content inside the parentheses is invisible, but it screws with regex rules.

 

Changes highlighted in italics:

  1. Instance rules apply.
  2. [New] Be reasonable, constructive, and conductive to discussion.
  3. [Updated] Stay on-topic, specially for more divisive subjects. Avoid unnecessarily mentioning topics and individuals prone to derail the discussion.
  4. [Updated] Post sources whenever reasonable to do so. And when sharing links to paywalled content, provide either a short summary of the content or a freely accessible archive link.
  5. Avoid crack theories and pseudoscientific claims.
  6. Have fun!

What I'm looking for is constructive criticism for those rules. In special for the updated rule #3.

Thank you!

EDIT: feedback seems overwhelmingly positive, so I'm implementing the changes now. Feel free to use this thread for any sort of metadiscussion you want. Thank you all for the feedback!

 

Apparently humpback whale songs show a few features in common with human language; such as being culturally transmitted through social interactions between whales.

"The authors found that whale song showed the same key statistical properties present in all known human languages" - my guess is that the author talks about Zipf's Law, that applies to both phoneme frequency and word frequency in human languages.

[Dr. Garland] "Whale song is not a language; it lacks semantic meaning. It may be more reminiscent of human music, which also has this statistical structure, but lacks the expressive meaning found in language." - so while it is not language yet it's considerably closer to language than we'd expect, specially from non-primates.

 
 

Based on

SVG source for anyone willing to give it a try. Made with Inkscape. The emojis were added as images because Inkscape.

 

Aue, patrue placentae! (Oi, tio do pavê!)

 

It's a 10m papyrus scroll from Herculaneum, one of the cities buried by Vesuvius' volcanic ash in 79 CE. It's fully carbonised but they're using a synchrotron to create a 3D model of the scroll without damaging it. Then they're using AI (pattern recognition AI, perhaps?) to detect signs of ink, so they can reconstruct the text itself.

The project lead Stephen Parson claims that they're confident that they "will be able to read pretty much the whole scroll in its entirety". And so far it seems to be a work of philosophy.

 

The title is a bit clickbaity but the article is interesting. Quick summary:

A new ancient population was recognised, based on genetic data. This population has been called the Caucasus-Lower Volga population, or "CLV". They were from 4500~3500BCE, tech-wise from the Copper Age, and lived in the steppes between the North Caucasus and the Lower Volga. .

About 80% of the Yamnaya population comes from those people; and at least 10% of the ancestry of Bronze Age central Anatolians, where Hittite was spoken, also comes from the CLV population. The hypothesis being raised is that the CLV population was composed of Early Proto-Indo-European speakers (the text calls it "Indo-Anatolian").

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I'm sharing this pic because it might be useful, to advertise Lemmy in Reddit meme communities and the likes. It isn't supposed to be a full info dump, just to spread the word that Lemmy exists and give people some room to ask questions about it.

The copypasta is from @[email protected]. The meme is from @[email protected].

Here's the source SVG file in case anyone wants to edit it.


EDIT - @[email protected] had a great take on this idea, I need to share it here:

 
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