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Things like this happening in real life are why I think some conservatives are legitimately, sincerely, deeply stupid. And a little cruel.
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity
I don't know what can be done about this. Humans are tribal and facts can't beat that.
It is definitely telling that when conservatism has come at odds with Christianity, so many Christians have chosen to abandon Christianity instead of abandoning conservatism.
Depends on the flavour of conservativism. In some ways Christianity is pretty conservative (Like sexual abd gender dynamics: Women cannot be in ecclesial authority over men, sex is between a married man and a woman, remarriage isn't allowed, divorce is frowned upon) but can also be pretty socialist (You shouldn't be rich, give money to the poor, the Church should be collectively helping each other, literally forgive everyone and give all you have to the poor).
Although, the fact that nobody seems to be able to follow this perfectly illustrates the entire point on why Jesus had to die. I don't see how people don't realise this.
I don't mean to imply that Christianity is progressive. But how a person reacts when politics is at odds with their religious beliefs is illuminating. Do their political beliefs follow from sincerely held religious beliefs? Or do they contort their religion in service of their political beliefs? For much of the religious right, it's clearly the latter.
There are no good parties in the USA for Christians to vote for
There's no good party for most people but that doesn't stop many of them from demanding better from their parties. The story, though, is about how Christians are demanding their religious leaders change rather than demand better from their politicians.
To be fair, I don't think the people complaining are Episcopalians. That church has gone down the gutter, unfortunately.
Some people claim to be Christian yet pick and choose, unfortunately.
MAGA is about hurting people. That's all it's about.
It is absolutely not about Christ’s message anymore. This is specifically about only hearing what they want to hear, not to challenge them to be better. That is how they consume social media: only that which supports their current thoughts is paid attention to.
More so than ever, Christianity will be used as a political tool to oppress, and stray further from the original religion.
At the risk of being a little spicy, I feel like a lot of christianity has been about hearing what people want to hear for a long time. All the stuff that boils down to "do whatever you want, you'll be forgiven" is nonsense. Prosperity gospel is garbage.
If you think you are a good christian but you are not helping the poor, you are fucking fool.
Luke 18
Luke 10
All of these so-called christians who refuse to aid other people are fools, cowards, and failures.
Of course, the bible has a lot of strange and inscrutable stuff, too. Like the parable of the talents is a weird one. I just get really mad at people who say they're christian but are selfish
Christianity isn't about doing what you want- it's about how Christ needed to die because we cannot follow these rules. I think someone who thinks they are a "good Christian" is already making the mistake in thinking that.
Luke 18:19
1 John 1:8
Growing up in a Christian household and being around people who pfeached5and believed in the prosperity gospel, my impression has always been that they think they are too poor to help people so if god wants them to help others then it will make them prosperous.
Prosperity gospel is actually sickening. Like it's actually a (bunch of) cult(s) at that point
The cruelty is the point.
I don't get what they expect the priest to do about that, since they're quoting the Bible.
Do they expect them to outright make up something about how everything is fire and brimstone?
I mean they've always been subversive, and the upper echelons of organized religion have, largely, been hypocritical since the year dot.
I think that's the whole point of Jesus coming and dying- Because He knew that men cannot be righteous in men. He became righteousness because we cannot.
It's the same pattern in the old testament - you see man committing real atrocities against man in there.