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[–] [email protected] 45 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Accelerationism has made things worse for everyone. Now we have a US president who has declared his intention to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinians. If you want things to get better then you have to act in a way that is useful to that end. That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that's the Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that’s the Democrats.

You're reaching out to people too stupid to understand basic logic.

Which is why an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader and is currently deconstructing our federal government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

You’re reaching out to people too stupid to understand basic logic.

Thankfully this problem has nothing to do with general intelligence which we don't understand anyway. This is a problem with information and knowledge. There is a lot of false information. And people are unaware of true information. Thanks to the internet we have the opportunity to educate people we have never met to correct this.

These are people who fell for accelerationism. It's an idea that anyone, of any political position, can fall for. It's so tempting to think that things can get better by getting worse. Because all accelerationism asks of us is to do nothing. People will look at history and see the bad things that happened to people who tried to change things for the better, assassinations, murders, assaults, arrests and incorrectly conclude it had to get worse in order to get better. The truth is people kept working to make things better despite these set backs. People learned from their mistakes and then applied what they learned.

We need to keep reaching out to people because accelerationism is both useless and false. If we let things get worse they will continue to get worse indefinitely. People who believe in accelerationism will keep believing in accelerationism no matter how bad it gets. Unless we explain to them why accelerationism is useless and false.

Which is why an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader and is currently deconstructing our federal government.

This has been caused primarily by the right-wing information sphere and the general capture of mainstream media by billionaires. Fox News has been brainwashing people for decades. And Q-Anon was able to get the boomers who didn't know better to trust what they read on Facebook.

I've had multiple family members brainwashed by Fox News and other right-wing media. They are all competent women who held down jobs and raised families. One of them wrote code and another built furniture and metal art. Considering they are all white they would get high scores on IQ tests. It doesn't matter how smart or competent a person is. If all the information a person consumes is fascist propaganda it's logical to expect that person to vote for and support fascist candidates.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won't be for a while at best.
This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

This is not a particularly helpful message for the time being since the election is past and won’t be for a while at best.

Other countries will have elections to determine if they have a fascist takeover in the next four years and beyond. Canada's next election is October 20, 2025 but could be called sooner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election

This is more a wish on what could have been and leaves little room for current discourse when this is a dead end topic.

American accelerationists still need to learn their lessons. There was a hate crime in my home town recently against a member of the LGBTQ+ community. People in the local LGBTQ+ community went to a meeting to express their concerns directly to the police force responsible for conducting the investigation. This was an exercise in demonstrating power. The local news is talking about it and people know we will not accept intolerance.

So the election has passed in America, but many of us may find out there are opportunities to make a difference and be vocal. A person needs to understand that doing nothing isn't useful to participate in that kind of a moment.

Accelerationism is alive and well as is demonstrated by people in this comment section. So even though we can't change the 2024 election results, we are going to keep talking about them. If we do not, the 2026 and 2028 elections, which are not guaranteed to happen now, will look very similar. Even if there are no more elections in America there are still people who need help. They will not get that help unless people believe they need to be helping.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They're gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.

The last election is where democracy died.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

The last election is where democracy died.

There are other countries with their own elections facing the threat of a fascist takeover. Canada has one on October 20, 2025 that could be called earlier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Canadian_federal_election

I don’t think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They’re gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.

I think that it is likely we will not get fair and free elections if any elections at all in 2026 and 2028. It's still possible that we do. We thankfully cannot rule out fascist incompetence in general, but we can't count on it either for specific things. Regardless if we do have elections or not, having a movement that can win elections in theory is still useful for resisting and defeating fascism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.

Musk has control of the US Treasury Department payment system. Obviously not. Fascists don't hold elections.

I'm trying to get people to act in their own self-interest. It may be too late for us, but someone might learn something someday. People who survive the collapse of the US and climate change might make better choices.

If we don't tell people what went wrong here they will do it again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Oh by all means talk about what went wrong. Recording history is vital. I'm just saying voting your way out of this won't happen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Also, not every country has been taken over by fascists yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Who's gonna fight the us?? Lmfao.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

They don't have to fight the US, they just have to help the north secede from the south.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can't make the survival of democracy hinge on everybody having to vote for you because else it would be getting even worse. You actually have to present an option that promises that things get better. Significantly even, since most people in the US are absolutely struggling.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

As voters we had the opportunity to prevent fascism for four more years by voting for neoliberals. This would have given progressives and socialists another opportunity to co-opt the Democrat party. The failure of the Democrats to provide a compelling alternative does not mean we should be complicit in our own destruction and allow fascists to murder us.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm seeing a lot of voter bashing but the same Democrats in power. I get the criticism against voters. They should have voted neoliberal. But the Democrats set this vote up to fail. They just don't seem to get any consequences for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

They just don’t seem to get any consequences for it.

The consequences are that Democrat politicians live in a fascist dictatorship, are persecuted politically, and remembered for their incompetence. Many of them are rich enough that they will probably not feel the impacts anytime soon, it really depends how serious Trump is on the retribution.

What's important is to care more about people than punishing the Democrats. If we are lucky enough to have future elections, we need to see the Democratic Party as a tool. edit: typo

They should have voted neoliberal.

There are more than one lesson to learn from an election. People need to learn to vote for the furthest left viable political party that they can. Democrats need to learn to adopt a populists narrative that pushes progressive and socialist ideas. Democrats are unlikely to do this until they are co-opted by progressives and socialists the way Republicans were co-opted by Trump. But delaying fascism as long as possible gives progressives and socialists more time to take control of the Democratic Party.