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Time to get serious with E2E encrypted messaging (techcrunch.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I currently use Telegram for my friends and family, but have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the UK Government is either reaching agreement for backdoors with messaging services, or is trying its hardest to.

I'm also on Element/Matrix. Before I try to get my contacts to join me on there, should I be aware of any privacy issues or is that a good place to head?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The most privacy focused messaging app I know is SimpleX Chat, it has no user IDs, is FOSS, e2e encrypted with an option to use TOR, give it a try!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

+1 for SimpleX

[–] endofline 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Simplex was bubbling about implementing CSAM. Any client mentioning it is not safe, period... Child safety and hate speech is always an excuse for tolitarian regimes ( sittenpolizei ) never a true approach for solving the issue ( child safety )

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have no idea about this, but as of now anyone can register.

For reference, CSAM is Belgium's government portal and a system of login, as far as I know, so I assume it would be used to check if someone is a minor at the time of registration

Child safety is important but implementing this would kind of defeat the purpose of a privacy focused app.

I agree that just gatekeeping children and therefore verifying everyone with a government platform, but then it raises the question on how to improve child safety on an app that's self-hostable with not even user IDs to identify the users?

I don't have an answer to that, but I don't like just saying "This solution is bad", I always try to add "So try this instead, because XXX"

[–] endofline 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, the child safety is very necessary. The simplest solution for simplex would be simply the "parental control" like restricting the contacts or allowed groups by checking by the phone number or imei with no client side scanning... However, EU is to force such client side scanning.

As simplex is open source, clones could show up with no restrictions but this can be prevented with the blocks on the google play (parental control) and so on. Of course, you can never solve the issue with completely new phone with the sim card bought on some "homeless" person but there is no bulletproof solutions.

It's worrying trend that EU now chooses the worst solutions for quite long time