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    [–] [email protected] 209 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Being a private company has allowed Valve to take some really big swings. Steam Deck is paying off handsomely, but it came after the relative failure of the Steam Controller, Steam Link and Steam Machines. With their software business stable, they can allow themselves to take big risks on the hardware side, learn what does and doesn't work, then try again. At a publically traded company, CEO Gabe Newell probably gets forced out long before they get to the Steam Deck.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago

    Linux was also the only way to make sure Valve was viable long term. Eventually Windows was going to have an Xbox store built in and would've basically been a monopoly on PC gaming, cutting out steam altogether. I think windows now sort of does have that, but it can't compete with Steam quite yet.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

    The steam controller didn't really fail, but the patent fight was a mess that took way too long (much too late disqualified patent over paddle buttons). That sucked a lot of energy out of the project. Don't forget the steam deck kept those touch pads (although with a different design)!

    Steam Link IMHO also wasn't bad, but there didn't seem to be much interest in it then. (interestingly enough I think it could be recreated today in a Chromecast-like form factor)

    Stream machines was definitely a big mess however, there just wasn't enough interest, too limited compatibility, the machines just wasn't versatile enough for average Joe to pay for one.

    [–] m4xie 2 points 10 hours ago

    The problem with the Link is its wireless performance. It works perfectly with an Ethernet connection, but not many people have one of those by their TV, even today.

    [–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Man Intel are so dumb for firing Pat. And they did it while seeing positive reviews for their second gen GPUs!

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

    That's just what happens to CEOs of publicly traded companies when they have a bad year. And Intel had a really bad year in 2024. I'm certainly hoping that their GPUs become serious competition for AMD and Nvidia, because consumers win when there's robust competition. I don't think Pat's ousting had anything to do with GPUs though. The vast majority of Intel's revenue comes from CPU sales and the news there was mostly bad in 2024. The Arrow Lake launch was mostly a flop, there were all sorts of revelations about overvolting and corrosion issues in Raptor Lake (13th and 14th gen Intel Core) CPUs, broadly speaking Intel is getting spanked by AMD in the enthusiast market and AMD has also just recently taken the lead in datacenter CPU sales. Intel maintains a strong lead in corporate desktop and laptop sales, but the overall trend for their CPU business is quite negative.

    One of Intel's historical strength was their vertical integration, they designed and manufactured the CPUs. However Intel lost the tech lead to TSMC quite a while ago. One of Pat's big early announcements was "IDM 2.0" ("Integrated Device Manufacturing 2.0"), which was supposed to address those problems and beef up Intel's ability to keep pace with TSMC. It suffered a lot of delays, and Intel had to outsource all Arrow Lake manufacturing to TSMC in an effort to keep pace with AMD. I'd argue that's the main reason Pat got turfed. He took a big swing to get Intel's integrated design and manufacturing strategy back on track, and for the most part did not succeed.

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

    The GPUs aren't even a drop in the bucket for Intel. While Gelsinger had the right ideas, he wanted everything all at once which just wasn't doable.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

    You are right, but let me add that Gabe knows that being tied to Windows is not a good idea, as he worked there and understood that they would block Steam if they could.

    Valve supporting 'their' alternative OS, away from Microsoft (and Apple) or any other direct competitor in gaming is the only way to survive.

    It's not like they pour all that money into Linux from the goodness of their heart. They need their own OS just as much as the Linux desktop community needs some stable funding.

    Given how Valve lets children gamble with skins, I'm not sure how moral that company really is.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

    man, i hope that Microshaft blocks steam. That would send so many people to lunix.

    [–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Agreed, but if I'd had the money at the time, I absolutely would've jumped at the steam machine and steam controller. I want a modern one now more than ever. If it weren't for parts getting shittier and pricier, I'd probably build one myself this spring/summer and figure out which distro would be best for it. My steam deck is great and I want basically the exact same thing but more powerful at the cost of not being a handheld. Bonus points if I can easily remote play that new steam machine through my steam deck, which I think is a reasonable expectation. And I'd love to run an HDMI out splitter to easily swap between using it as a PC at my desk or using it as a console from my couch.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    If you buy parts that are a couple of generations older there is absolutely a middle ground between the ridiculous new GPUs and the steam deck on performance, that you could probably build for a similar price to the deck. I would aim for an AM4 build to take advantage of how cheap ddr4 RAM is, with a 3xxx or 5xxx Ryzen CPU. Something like the 3080 is a great card for a cheap price but I personally would go for an AMD card. A few hundred extra (again in AUD) gets you a good 7800XT which is a pretty damn beefy card, but might be better to drop down a couple of models to save on power consumption.

    Going even further, you can take someone's ATX PC secondhand, swap out the motherboard for a smaller form factor and slap it in a little case.

    As for OS, if you want it to be exactly like the deck you could run Bazzite, but SteamOS is either available, or about to be available.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    I was actually targeting a 7800XT on an AM4 build already lol!

    Yeah, it's just hard to justify the cost when I already have a PS5 and not a whole lot of free time. It makes more sense to wait until the next generation of consoles comes out and then get something that runs games at that time at 1440p, 60+fps. Right now I'd just be building a lateral system for no real reason, pretty late in the current gen lifecycle.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

    I have exactly this (AM4, 7800XT, 3440x1440 monitor) running bazzite. Almost every game I have maxes 165Hz, works great for LLM inference too, really the nutso expensive stuff is only necessary for 4K+, which I find diminishing returns at present, LLM training (rent a GPU instead), and probably modern VR. Just to let you know you're barking up the right tree. :)

    Oh, and the 7800XT idles / youtubes ~ 14-20W, 7 with the monitor off. I'm actually using it as a backup NAS / home server in down time, system pulls ~40-45W at the wall and I haven't even gone deep into power saving as it's a placeholder for a new homelab build that's underway.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

    I'd argue you could sell the ps5 and the games and make enough money to mostly (possibly entirely) cover the cost of building a more versatile device, but it's also a bit of effort when you already have a setup that works for you

    Edit: also, the system we're talking about should comfortably run 1440p60 for the foreseeable future. Newer flagship hardware is targeting higher resolution and much higher frame rates.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

    Give up haptics??

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I thoroughly enjoy the Steam controller and would've loved to try out one of the less conventional prototypes. I hope Valve can justify making another controller.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    and figure out which distro would be best for it. My steam deck is great and I want basically the exact same thing but more powerful at the cost of not being a handheld.

    Bazzite might be your jam. They're a sort-of competitor (?) to SteamOS, as in they have distros for handhelds in the same way Valve has with SteamOS (which they are now leasing out to manufacturers like lenovo). But they also have versions for laptops and desktop PCs.

    I've been using their PC (nvidia) version for a week now, and it's been wonderful. Of course I probably wouldn't have made the switch if Valve hadn't helped pave the way and made proton so powerful. Also I probably wouldn't have switched if I hadn't given up on LoL and Battlefield (kernel-level anticheat).

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

    I don't think I've even heard of that, so I'll look into it a bit more. I was leaning more toward an AMD build since that tends to play nicely with Linux compared to Intel/Nvidia. And there were a couple of distros I was interested in trying on my old laptop to compare before committing.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

    Unlike companies like Google or Microsoft, whose products are never disappointing!