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Completely meaningless given that NATO requires unanimous agreement by all the existing members. Everybody knows that this will never happen, so basically what he's saying is that he'll cling on to power.
I find this to be a disingenuous framing. He clearly made that comment in service to the greater good of Ukraine, and I don't know how being the leader of a nation facing imperial domination and constant war and death is something anyone would want to 'cling' to other than out of a sense of duty to the people he is representing.
If he gave a shit about the Ukraine he would've signed the Istanbul agreements two weeks into the war. This scumbag is responsible for destroying the country at the behest of the west. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been under imperial domination since 2014 when the legitimate government was overthrown there. Zelensky also isn't representing anybody because he cancelled elections. The fact that there are still people who try to frame him as some here is absolutely surreal.
Elections are not allowed to take place by law, during "martial law". A state Ukraine has been in since the Russians invaded their country.
But don't let that fact get in the way of your propaganda. By all means.
Show me the part of the Ukrainian constitution that says presidential elections are not allowed to take place during martial law https://rm.coe.int/constitution-of-ukraine/168071f58b
The part called Article 83.
no part of Article 83 says anything about presidential elections. At least try lying about something that's not so obvious
Would you mind reading that last sentence for the class out loud? Here. I'll even highlight it for you.
That refers to the Verkhovna Rada which is the parliament, it says absolutely nothing about presidential election. Thanks for confirming that you are indeed an ignoramus who doesn't have the first clue about the subject you're attempting to debate here.
The only one who is clueless here is you. It extends to the presidency.
But since you need to be educated on the matter. Here are their laws on the matter of Martial Law.
But don't worry. You don't need to read it all, I highlighted Article 19 and 10. And just for you. I also translated it. On the slight chance you don't know any ukranian.
https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/389-19
And here it is in english.
So... what was that about me lying? Something about me not understanding what I'm talking about? That's ok. You can apologize now and you might just look a little less stupid.
i see your reading comprehension is poor. It says nothing about elections being suspended. It says that they can't be removed from office by force. You can apologize now and you might just look a little less stupid.
I think maybe I wrote too much text for you to read. Let us look at what Article 19 says again.
Wait. Let's zoom in on that.
What was it you said again?
You're right. It doesnt say anything about them being suspended. It says they're prohibited. Maybe you'd know that if you actually managed to read the words.
Something something reading comprehension?
Oh you got me there, I guess the perk of being a dictatorship is that you can just amend the law to say what you want.
Article 19 has not been amended once since the document was released on the internet in 2015.
I'm sure you are aware of who the president of Ukraine was in 2015.
But like I said at the very start. Don't let the facts get in the way of your propaganda.
I'm sure you're aware what happened in 2014 when the legitimate government was overthrown. But like I said at the very start. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your propaganda.
The people have the power to elect governments. And the people have the power to oust governments. That is Democracy at display.
You've categorically been willfully ignorant and proven wrong throughout this entire discussion. Your meager attempts at insulting me over and over won't change anything, and only exposes you for the manchild you are.
Western backed fascists overthrowing the government is not the will of the people. If it was then there wouldn't have been a civil war with Donbas for the past 8 years. But I don't expect you to actually acknowledge reality here. It's pretty clear what sort of person you are.
You’ve categorically been willfully ignorant and proven wrong throughout this entire discussion. Your meager attempts at insulting me over and over won’t change anything, and only exposes you for the manchild you are.
Your description of events doesn't match reality. You just make up whatever sounds good and then tell people they're the ones who need to prove you wrong.
Just like you made up that Zelenaky had canceled elections. I had to quote and link you the actual law, thrice, because you couldn't comprehend what was written.
So much for your "knowledge"
Cute little mimic game you got going. Truly playing the part of a child.
My description of events matches reality perfectly. Even mainstream western media admits this openly now. Gonna have to update your talking points there.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trump-not-zelensky-is-ukraines-only-hope/
Cute little attempts at insults you've got there. I'd be really insulted by them too if I had a shred of respect for your lying ass.
Spectator.co.uk so mainstream its the first time I even hear about them.
What you linked is an opinion piece by an anonymous "author" with no sources or anything to back up any claim.
You'll have to do better than that. Let's not forget which one of us is a proven liar in this discussion. We all have the history to prove it
Oh no, an ignoramus hasn't heard of something therefore it's not mainstream. Impeccable logic! Anybody reading the discussion can make up their own minds on this. I've said all I need to say, and your ravings speak for themselves.
Bye.
Thanks for daily dose of Russian misinformation propaganda.
Thanks for the daily dose of western liberal brain rot.
I'm co-opertive anarchist, not Liberal
a one that's been infected liberal brain rot, as most anarchists are
The more important part of his statement is "for peace".
He had plenty of opportunities to achieve piece starting with implementing Minsk agreements before the war started, signing the agreement in Istanbul two weeks into the war, and numerous other opportunities after. Each time he rejected peace and continued facilitating the destruction of Ukraine.
just pointing out that NATO is not going to happen. Stepping down offer is mainly for peace by someone else.
But if NATO is never going to happen, then what he's really saying is that he's not stepping down. What he says is like me saying I'm going to quit my job tomorrow if I win the lottery, and that's a more probable scenario.
I did not see quote live. I did see original reports as just peace, and then western reports as peace OR NATO. Now you/BBC, is just NATO headline.
I took it as simply admitting that he has lost the confidence of US and Russia.
If this really will never happen, Putin should promise the same, and see what happens. :)
That ship has sailed: Putin tried to get Russia into NATO decades ago.