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If nothing else, this whole situation is a very revealing about which Democrat politicians have proverbial balls, which ones have their balls in the clamp (probably for doing embarrassing stuff), and which ones have no proverbial balls at all.
So far only AOC, Sanders, Pritzker, and a handful of others are showing they have the guts to stand up on the bullshit the administration is pulling.
Obligatory reminder that Sanders is categorically excluded from being a "Democrat with proverbial balls" not because he doesn't have balls, but because he isn't a Democrat. I deny the Democratic Party credit for his courage.
He does still caucus with them though. For now at least.
I really want to include the new DNC chair in that list.
And
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/abc13-has-1-on-1-with-new-democratic-national-committee-chair-ken-martin/ar-AA1zI1f4
Like, he's had the chair a month, and he's going out and doing local station news interviews already.
For the past 30 years every other chair would have been grifting huge dollar donors in exchange for more conservative policy positions right now.
I really feel like they all need to be doing this, as much as possible. Get out there and publicize just how fucked things are, and what they're doing to fight back, and how Trump's cronies control the entire government right now and what's happening is directly their fault.
Not trying to be an asshole but if you expect anything will materially change you shouldn't be surprised when the DNC rug pulls you again.
I strongly disagree.
“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires” - New DNC Head Martin
The DNC is run by corporate democrats which, aside from the hate, racism and bigotry, might well be the on the same team as Republicans when it comes to facilitating the actions of the wealthy in this country. Its why nothing materially changes when Dems run the show. Their wealthy donors are happy with the job they are doing currently, which doesn't include improving the quality of life for the vast majority of us because it is easier to exploit a populous that is teetering on the edge of ruin. How many of you cant change jobs because you'd lose your insurance? How few Americans have 500 dollars in the bank for a catastrophic emergency? The fact that we have to live in such a precarious position is a feature to the wealthy that allows them to exploit us for their significant personal gains. They don't see us as people, they see us as a resource to exploit and toss when they are done.
Did Biden push for Universal healthcare, or even talk about it really? What about pressing for codifying of Roe v. Wade? Or wage theft being, from a dollar perspective, the vast majority of theft that occurs in this country? Marijuana reform? Better to leave that as a carrot to try to get votes as they've shown in the last 3 elections... What about taxing the rich as a rebuttal to the constant assault on social services that help the most vulnerable in our society yet account for the smallest fraction of the actual budget? Or upholding the law and holding Trump and his cronies for the January 6th attack on our nation, which should have prevented Trump from running in the first place? The wealthy in this country are seeing their wealth explode from a government that today has enabled them to wholesale embrace corruption by attacking regulatory and oversight bodies... wonder why they didnt want Trump to be held accountable...
Biden did things in his term to help Americans to an extent, but these Donkeys in the room are glaring examples of areas that Biden had flat out ignored or intentionally neglected us. The reason to me is that the money didn't support those initiatives.... i.e. not in the donors interests.
Remember that the DNC put Biden there, and if we let them they will happily keep playing the role of controlled opposition as a fulcrum to leverage our nation to the right while giving lip service to the things we care about and enriching themselves with our donations.
Why are so many people stuck on a single comment he made during the DNC chair campaign when he was asked if he'd take donations from billionaires?
Do you legitimately think he'd have won the chair election by answering no?
And why did so many people all discover this comment from over a month ago about 48 hours ago?
I'm legitimately asking because I followed the chair election pretty damn closely, and even at the time it was made it just wasn't a big deal....
But most importantly:
I didn't say he should be, I said I want to include him.
He has a long and respectable history at the state level, and I have no reason not to be optimistic that he'll stay that way...
Yet.
So I want him to keep doing the right thing and earn on a spot on that list.
Why the absolute about-face from you on the DNC over the last couple weeks?
They're not stuck on this single comment. They're seeing the trend from the DNC over the last few decades and seeing more of the same in his statement.
And what does that tell you about where their allegiance lies? I can't believe you think this comment helps your argument.
I've been saying since the day Biden lost that the DNC chair election determines if I support the DNC as hard as possible or push for a third party.
Ken Martin was one of the candidates I consider "good enough".
It would be easier to see that side of it, if there was more than one I cident of him saying something "bad".
Dude was campaigning in an election where voting members of the DNC were the only ones who could vote. A "hard no" would have prevented him from becoming chair.
Who cares?
Their only power is electing a chair in years a republican is president.
That's all the DNC is really, some people who vote on who the chair is, and around 20 people in other leadership positions the chair appoints.
The DNC is not some huge unchangeable monolith, don't blame fresh leadership for last 30 years of shit decisions.
Now, I answered all your questions. So if you'd be so kind I'm legitimately interested in this:
Where and when did you first see that comment?
This may be cynical but this just sounds like he wants to make people fall in line and adopt more Texas style right-wing politics.
The "we have to regain their trust" line could be copy and pasted from just about every corporate non-apology in existence. This instills little hope in me for the future of the Democratic party.
The man didn't magically appear when you learned his name...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Martin#Minnesota_DFL_chair
He wins elections with progressive candidates, because that's what increases dem turnout.
What more do you want from a party chair?
If he's dirty, where's the dirt from the time he ran a state party?
I didn't say anything of his qualifications or history. I said I think his statements and future plans sound like more of the same ineffective lip service and rightward drift.
Statement
You're judging him on one quick answer to a question while he was campaigning and ignoring, well, literally everything else.
And his future plans is literally the opposite of what you're saying, because that doesn't win elections.
Again, you can look at his long history in Minnesota
No, statements. I've opined on multiple things he's said here in response to you in this thread. Your replies seem very odd at this point as it almost seems like you're responding to a discussion that isn't even happening.
This thread is 2 days old by now, but I scrolled. Didn't see anything that's not the single comment
But hey. Maybe I'm missing it.
If so, it would be absolutely trivial for you to provide a link to something else he said that you take issue with.
But I don't think you will.
It's not about balls, it's about loyalty. AOC and the like have loyalty to the country while corporate Dems have loyalty to corporate interests.
The problem I have with this take is that we knew 4 years ago too. For some of them, we've known for decades. We should have already been primarying them out, but between local ratfuckery and a lack of funding for primary challengers, we're stuck with these assholes at a critical moment.
Those without proverbial balls need to be primaried. There is enough outrage to fund the campaigns without corporate donors.
See if @[email protected] is backing any candidates in your area during the next race. They also try to build working-class solidarity through mutual-support events, too.
After the Bernie Sanders' "stop arms sale to Israel vote", I can confidently say %90 of democrats are just worthless human shits who would have fared just as well being members of the Republic party or United Russia (Putin's party) or AKP (Erdoğan's party). As long as they got a seat of some power to glue their sweaty asses to, they will adapt to anything.
man suggests employees write an email to their new boss as requested, in attempt to keep their current job, immediately becomes the new nazi collaborator
not at all the extremist take from the new fundamentalists designed to destroy the dems and ultimately help keep trump-like politicians in power
But until many states have elections which pass United Nations reviews, and international witnesses, and stop having oligarchs counting the votes without oversight. All of this is just pandering to reasonable people. Just words with no weight. Hopes and dreams. The voice at the back of one’s head while doing something stupid.
They probably don’t mind benefitting from Trump tax breaks.