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And Democrats will always take advantage of that. They supported genocide last election. How much further to the right are they going to go? Because they will never move one Planck length to the left.
But if they consistently win it still alter the political landscape such that someone else will have a better chance of enacting actual change in the future.
The two party system is garbage, but if one of the two current parties lost its ability to win entirely then a different second option could appear.
Right now is the perfect time for the progressive caucus -led by AOC, and hiring Katie Porter as consultant- to form a third party WHILE THEY ARE SEATED.
And there are very simpke winning platform planks that can pull EVERYBODY in:
Of course the psychotic Nazi cucks will not accept that last one because they dont understand that profit margins drive costs up and efficiencies down, but still....
Agree. Within legal means, this is the only way to shift the Overton Window back left. When Democrats are secured from Republicans, then we should be pushing for more progressive options. Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.
Dems expanded the concentration camps on our southern border though....
You can't "push for more progressive options" when you've already ceded all power.
History suggests otherwise.
How far back? I'm pissed Obama and Biden didn't close Gitmo, but they didn't expand it either.
Fuck legal means, this is yer problem its all pride and democracy this until its dismantled in front of ye. Taking the high road has given ye a petulant retard as a leader. Maybe throw "legal" out the window, they did.
I know what I said. A human knows how to interpret it.
RPing on an open forum will only get you a visit from the FBI.
Im not advocating murder, its fascists who will limit protests and strikes. If you adhere to the rule of law you will quickly see protections removed to keep you penned in.
Push the party left and then vote for them. I would personally rathwr have useless weasels in power over soulless ghouls intent on stripping the country bare
If there are no ramifications for ignoring the vorer, what impetus is there for them to move left?
And so whatnif those ramifications are further genocide? At leastnyou got to be right?
Their stance on Gaza was deplorable but there has been zero benefit from their loss.
That's what many leftists tried to do: push Democrats at least left enough to stop actively committing genocide before they'd vote for them. The Democrats refused to budge.
I know, Bernie should have won, AOC should be a party leader.
But when the choice came down, fall in line against fascism. Its not hard.
Opposing genocide is a keystone of opposing fascism.
Ok so your choices are between notnopposing genocide or notnopposing genocide even more. For instance would the man commiyting the genocide send you a gold plated pager to commemorate their terrorism? Thats a good litmus test. Would your leader post AI gen pics of themselves and the genocide leader on a beach in the ethnically cleanser area?
Thisnisnt apples to apples to Gaza/Ukraine will rap te benefits of the lazy american voter.
Typical blueMAGA: cares more about symbolic bullshit than actual effect on human lives.
Blame everyone but your shitty wing of the party that was so in love with netanyahu that they would rather support genocide and lose.
I voted for Harris. Now lecture me like I'm a trumpist, since you have no argument for the genocide you've always lived for.
They're not my party and I am totally not in support of the genocide or ethnic cleansing. I would sooner see a demilitarised Israel returning to their originally agreed borders.
Yeah, that was the line about Biden. He supported genocide instead of moving left.
Or anyone interested in fixing anything.
If the alternative was listening to anyone to your left, you'd kill her yourself.
What are you on about, I am far left. The analogy was that Ibwould bote for a bad thing, american democrats, against a disgusting cruel thing, the american right.
okay so what’s your next step? because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left
Maybe the party shouldn't have done it then. There will never be anything that will get Democrats to move to the left. You know it. You love it. It's why you're gloating with your spoiled milk analogy.
No, he asked for a next step. Because leftists can't get a win.
Oh, you gonna gloat too? Ok, hows about the party hold honest primaries for fucking once. Or primaries at all? How's that for step 2? Then again, since you love your sour milk, that's a nonstarter too.
You're a bit weird, I'm still not talking about Democrats, I'm talking about leftists.
What can leftists do to get a win?
Well, they could take over the green party. They're a small party with even smaller primaries. The left could just saunter in and take it. From there, they could extract concessions from Democrats in exchange for not running. Or run. If Democrats don't want to split the vote, they don't have to field a candidate. It's not like they're interested in winning in the first place.
Ngl this is kind of a great idea. It's certainly better than what the green party is doing right now.
This does assume the green party will let someone beat Jill Stein. Also IMHO it's a mistake to always go right for the presidency when there should be a focus on local and municipal movements.
But it would be nice to see leftists finally get a win in something.
Why the green party? Why not primary vulnerable downballot democrats?
Use the same tactic the right has used on the republican party over the last 20 years to move the opposition party our direction. Is the green party uniquely positioned or something? They have a terrible track record and at least at one point about a decade ago, were thought to be infested with .ru shills.
Because I've seen how that goes. The party protects incumbents as long as their opponents are progressive.
Compare how the party protected anti-choice anti-labor pro-nra Henry Cuellar to how it abandoned Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.
Also, your question assumes fair primaries. Democrats don't do those.