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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Hold on, wait a minute, pause. There are people who think that bugs have lungs?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, while bugs and other insects don't have lungs, some arthropods do. The differences among arthropods, insects and bugs aren't exactly common knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

some have book-lungs not true lungs. Only us fish have "true" lungs

edit: this thread turned into nerd-heaven. i love it!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Agreed. I was referring to book lungs.

Also, I feel like you got some 'splainin' to do regarding the fish reference.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

In a nutshell: speaking cladistically, there is no such thing as a fish, or alternatively, all tetrapods are fish. You cant define a monophyletic group that includes "fish" that doesnt also include humans (and all other tetrapods eg birds and such). That's my understanding anyway

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Fish is a polyphyletic group. It's a shorthand to refer to various lines of aquatic vertebrates with a similar anatomy. It's not a clade but that's not the only way to logically group organisms. People trot it out like a "gotcha" or just misuse it in much the same way they don't understand speciation (or most science terminology, to be frank)

We are not fish by anyone's honest definition, but "there's no such thing as a fish" is the kind of attention-grabbing false revelation I hate: it's the headline with none of the understanding to actually learn something.

(I'm not annoyed at you, I think you understand perfectly based on your wording)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My knowledge on the subject is purely at a youtube video level so i am happy to have someone else provide better knowledge and insight

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I too have seen that Clint's Reptiles video, lmao

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

From what I understand, this is sorta like a hangover from pre-DNA taxonomy. We went "yeah, those all look like fish, we'll put them in the fish group", only to find out later that a bunch of them weren't very closely related at all. So now we have a 'fish' group that's a total mess, and we're in the middle of getting it organized and re-labelled.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah exactly lol science is full of silly stuff like that but that's the price of knowledge and of using models to understand things. Same with trees and such, they look alike to us so we call a lot of organisms trees but they are VASTLY different from each other in many cases

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Excellent pic and excellent username. The tooooth!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Thanks frigidaphelion!

Is there a better way to link a user?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can't we just un-fish it like we do for other clades when we need to?

"There's an ape in the office!"

"Yes, his name is Tom. More importantly, he is a human being, and we don't refer to them as apes outside of an academic context and even then, only when necessary."

[Tom eats a banana, screams at an intern, and starts picking his nose]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

No, fuck paraphyletic groups.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I meant, can't we just be more specific rather than use paraphyletic grouping?

"What's for dinner?"

"Fish"

"That could mean anything!"

"You know I meant Actinopterygii."

"Still pretty broad."

"Oncorhynchus."

"You know how I feel about trout."

"Ugh. tshawytscha."

"Well, why didn't you just say so in the first place?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some commenters here really need to go and come into contact with Eremochloa ophiuroides

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Respectfully, I must disagree. I recommend Poa pratensis, but I admit that this varies based on the USDA plant hardiness zone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I certainly agree that the texture of Poa Pratensis is much more pleasurable. However, being in zone 8 and not wanting to seed my entire lawn every year, I'm more familiar with E. ophiuroides and Zoysia japonica.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That was a way more thorough response than I was expecting.

Also, "zoysia" is a name I haven't heard in a long time. How do you keep it under control?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My yard is surrounded by pine forest, nature does a good job of keeping it from spreading too far. No flower beds, decorative plants in pots.

It's low maintenance and looks good enough for the backyard and I don't have neighbors close enough to complain about rhizomes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Sounds like paradise. Keep living your best life.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We're all descended from fish.

Also, IIRC, some fish are more closely related to us than they are to other fish, making it impossible to biologically define a category of animal that includes everything we call a fish but doesn't include us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Thanks!

Also, I recognize your username. I feel like you may have encountered my ignorance on at least one previous occasion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Only us fish have "true" lungs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Usually not lungs as they exist in mammals, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

You're right. They're different.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

It's funny that this is biology in 4th grade and half the people here are shocked

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I didn't think bees had lungs. I also didn't think bees didn't have lungs...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I’m less bothered by that person not knowing and way more bothered by them just being so confidently incorrect. Doesn’t take long to just look it up yourself. Unless the whole post was an educational setup?