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The US plane manufacturer Boeing has begun flying 737 Max jets that were refused by Chinese airline customers back to the United States, as the trade war between the world’s two biggest economies escalates.

Bloomberg reported earlier this week that China had instructed airlines to stop taking delivery of Boeing jets.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Aren’t these the planes that were grounded due the multiple crashes?

That might be a reason why they don’t want them.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

If that were the issue they would have canceled the orders several years ago. Refusing the planes at this point is due to more recent developments.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago

It is, but that’s not the reason here (even if not buying a 60 years airframe with shit avionics and too low ground clearance is a valid reason).

Most Asian orders are for bigger aircrafts, so 777 and 787 for Boeing.

And even without tariffs retaliation from China, Boeing is fucked because of tariffs. An aircraft is 90% imported parts from all over the world. Airbus is the same, but Airbus is not in the US (well, they have an A320 line there for US market but they can close it and keep working with the rest of the world from Europe, Boeing can’t do that)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They fixed the MCAS issue a while back. It now requires data from multiple sensors, is only able to activate once per flight, and has a dramatically reduced strength on that one activation.

Mentour Pilot did great videos about the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines incidents that go into detail about that system and its flaws.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s not about fixing that one defect.

It’s about the degradation of their safety culture and engineering rigor to the point that they were just blithely ignoring regulatory requirements that are written in blood. Management overrode TONS of engineers, assemblers, and QC techs in the interest of shipping shit and making money. This also happened in the 787. This also happened in the starliner capsule. I’m sure it’s happening elsewhere. Boeing can no longer be trusted to reliably and safely build things - it’s that bad.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Funny, they told us it was all because of DEI...

Big /S

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It was because of Milton Friedman:

The sole objective, and only social responsibility, of corporate governance is to maximize shareholder value.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

It's a trade action. They want them, and need them. Airbus and Boeing are the main, by far, manufacturers of medium and large passenger jets, and they are back ordered until the 2030's. But Boeing jets are some of the most expensive per unit US items you can use as bargaining chips.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

China was the first country to ground them..