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Watch out for BYD from China.
Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Australia BYD is smashing it.
They represent incredible value for money and it's not like we've got a local industry to protect - our conservative government made sure of that.
We're already the world's dumping ground for shit vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, so having a non-Elon Musk EV alternative is something people are grabbing with both hands. We bought a BYD Seal Performance for $70k AUD a little over a year ago. For that money you get an incredibly comfortable sedan that does 500k on a charge, costs about $1 per 100km to run, and does 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.
EU vehicles are crazy overpriced by comparison, and because they try and position Mercedes / BMW / VW as luxury brands here the servicing and repair costs are through the roof. Part availability also sucks, with everything being a 6+ week lead time. We've owned European vehicles on several occasions and never again.
What about Japanese options?
Like what?
Korea has a few (Hyundai, Kia / same,same) but the only Japanese options are [P]HEV or the Toyota BZ4X which is... ugly... if it didn't have a Toyota badge I don't think they'd sell any of them. Few old Leafs still hanging in there, but if you want to go more than 100k at a time that's them ruled out.
300km+ range for the Leaf these days and they've got the Ariya that has over 400km of range, but I just checked and they don't seem to offer either in Australia...
Guess you're truly stuck with Chinese and Korean models then...
I've seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.
I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.
It’s not just Lemmy. Also Reddit
I don't go there anymore so I don't know 🤷
Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.
Don't want to protect elon musk's swastikar LLC with tariffs? Must be a tankie! Want to buy a cheap electric vehicle? tankie!
"Anyone who supports Tesla is now a Tankie. Anyone who is anti-Tarrifs is now a Tankie. Anyone who wants anything anti-Trump is a Tankie."
Because they present amazing value (at Chinese prices) and really advanced battery technology.
Chinese electric cars are great value.
If you don't consider the impact that sending yet more manufacturing jobs to China will have in the long run and the fact that they have great value because what China is doing is called dumping and the goal is for them to have a monopoly so they can eventually increase prices without having any competitors.
Yes, China dumps EVs on other markets.
But here are some extra insights to consider about the issue:
None of this is intended to condone China or any country dumping products, but as a warning about having overly simplified reactions to an issue without understanding the bigger picture.
If auto subsidies are dumping, the US has been dumping for ages.
Maybe the US should subsidize more renewable and battery manufacturing inside its borders.
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/renewable/trump-administration-cancels-clean-energy-grants-as-it-prioritises-fossil-fuels/119687122
Oh.
Also slave labor.
"They're much cheaper than comparable cars!"
People never think about where the savings come from, as long as they can buy stuff.
Seeing people who call themselves left wing defending globalism will always be funny to people like me who are left wing and were protesting against it back in the day.
On the other hand, the right in America is in the process of destroying globalism and is rightly mocked for it because they themselves are suffering the worst.
The issue is the way they're trying to put an end to it. A plan like the government giving priority to local manufacturers and forcing international bidders to build factories in the country is one thing. Imposing tariffs without any plans to compensate locally is just plain dumb.
And yet they’re not just going about it the most boneheaded way they can think of, but have been actively killing off Biden era incentives to do what they claim they want.
If they actually cared about manufacturing locally, they would support those incentives, and support the infrastructure bill
That ship has sailed, like 50 years ago
It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4
We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.
I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.
I've seen some BYD here in Germany. No clue where they were bought though.
And that ugly Ora whatever cat. I've seen that as well 😵💫
Weird here in Denmark they have a map of dealers on their homepage?
They have dealers pretty well distributred throughout the country.
https://www.bydauto.dk/find-forhandler
Same in Germany:
https://www.byd.com/de/find-store
You have the best stuff. If it weren't that far, just for some sauce...
Looks nice, unfortunately it's pretty inconvenient for me to get to Sweden, although we have the bridge from Copenhagen, it's 1½ hour drive to get to it.
But if all goes well, we will get the Femern connection to Germany in 4 years, and that's only a ½ hour drive. 😀
No worries, I think it's Finnish anyway 😂
But it seems to be available in Denmark as well. This one is from Sweden, the last few were from Norway.
I mean, if I have the car full of booze on the way up, I can at least fill it up with mustard on the way back.
Well the label is entirely in Swedish.
You're right, I just checked. They're from Eslöv. Don't know why I thought of Finland. Anyways, time for BBQ.
Edit: Skåne even is on the label 😂
Thanks, didn't know this existed
https://bydeurope.com/contact
Send them an email.
Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.
AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.
So all BYD has to do is the absolute minimum to make a BEV into a hybrid. So like, a model aircraft engine and a bike dynamo? It doesn't have to charge the batteries well. And you can put it on a module that can be easily removed. Maybe sell the car with a little display case for the removed module, just to be extra cheeky.
I think EU needs to recognize it as a hybrid, so no.
That seems arbitrary.
I bet it's not, and that there are clear regulations for it.
That's the way things usually are with such classifications.
Especially for something that for years had a significant TAX credit.