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  • Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
  • Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
  • However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe's top two most-registered EVs.
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[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

In fact it's even more crazy if you consider VW group:

Tesla Total 53,237

VW Group:
VW 65,679
Audi 34,739
Skoda 26,578
Cupra (SEAT) 18,878
Porsche 9,929

VW Group total 155,803

ratio 155803/53237 = 2.93
VW group has almost 3 times higher sales than Tesal!!

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/vw-finally-beats-tesla-outselling-it-in-q1-ev-sales-in-europe/

PS:
Stellantis:
Peugeot 24,397
Citroen 16,367
Opel 13,612
FIAT 6,825
Stellantis Total 61,201

Stellantis manages to clearly beat Tesla too!!

Edit: I forgot FIAT in the Stellantis numbers.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago
[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Watch out for BYD from China.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (32 children)

Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can't speak for other countries, but in Australia BYD is smashing it.

They represent incredible value for money and it's not like we've got a local industry to protect - our conservative government made sure of that.

We're already the world's dumping ground for shit vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, so having a non-Elon Musk EV alternative is something people are grabbing with both hands. We bought a BYD Seal Performance for $70k AUD a little over a year ago. For that money you get an incredibly comfortable sedan that does 500k on a charge, costs about $1 per 100km to run, and does 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.

EU vehicles are crazy overpriced by comparison, and because they try and position Mercedes / BMW / VW as luxury brands here the servicing and repair costs are through the roof. Part availability also sucks, with everything being a 6+ week lead time. We've owned European vehicles on several occasions and never again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What about Japanese options?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Like what?

Korea has a few (Hyundai, Kia / same,same) but the only Japanese options are [P]HEV or the Toyota BZ4X which is... ugly... if it didn't have a Toyota badge I don't think they'd sell any of them. Few old Leafs still hanging in there, but if you want to go more than 100k at a time that's them ruled out.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

I've seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It’s not just Lemmy. Also Reddit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I don't go there anymore so I don't know 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (6 children)

AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.

I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I'm surprised.

I'm guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids? In the two or three European countries I visit often you definitely see more of those, at least anecdotally. But maybe London City techbros and finance bros outweight everybody else? That seems plausible.

I have to say, I find all of these reports and investor analyses on Tesla's PR woes way too optimistic about how well they'll recover if and when Musk "steps away from the government". I really don't think that genie is going back in the bottle, guys.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Don't know about "London City techbros and finance bros" but in Sweden and Norway we prefer pure EV over hybrids.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Fair. That's the problem of reporting about Europe or even just the EU as a unit. Big place, lots of cultural differences, lots of size differences in economies and populations across those cultures.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I never really understood the deal about hybrids anyway. To me, it just seems like the worst of both worlds. One of the coolest things about EVs is that you can just charge it at home but wirth a hybrid you need to charge it in addition to also driving to the gas station to fill up the tank. The battery is also way smaller, so the electric engine doesn't take you very far anyway. And whatever engine you're using, you always have to carry the weight of the other system. And since you have both, doesn't that mean that there's way more that can break too?

And that's just talking about plug-in hybrids, the ones that generate electricity using a combustion engine just seem like ICE vehicles with extra steps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In my view it's mostly about regenerative braking, to get away from cvts (I can't see how those things will last), more torque from the electric motor, more fuel efficient Atkinson cycle.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I’m surprised.

Not only that, A few years ago, Tesla was as big as all the rest combined!

I’m guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids?

That's how it should be, but in most cases it's not. 100% battery is called BEV now. But BEV sales have far surpassed plugin Hybrid (PHEV).

IMO a Hybrid plugin or not is NOT electric just as it is NOT an ICE, it's a hybrid of the 2! But Hybrids are generally counted as EV.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Tesla understood that Batteries are expensive so let's make a fancy car so customer are OK to pay for the batteries main brand either didn't have an EV or tried to make a cheap electric car, cutting down the autonomy (e.g. the Renault Zoe). Add the whole We're a progressive company, so we give Tesla rather than diesel mercedes to our executive and Tesla was the main player on the niche market for a decade.

However, as electric car stop being a Niche, every brand has now several electrical models, from a affordable urban one_ to a comfortable and fancy one, If you can afford a Mercedes, Tesla is still an option (but then there is Musk personality not helping) but if you ain't rich, you can go to Volkswagen or Renault depending on how broke you are

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Your point is purely anecdotal. I see lots of Teslas where I live, so there's that. I also see more BEVs than PHEVs, which is also in line with sales figures.

So, to be blunt, I think your perception is skewed or wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

On my second ID4, and the wife has our first ID3. Lovely cars to drive, will never go back to an ice car again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why a second? Your first couldn’t have been any more than 5 years old.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

3 year PCP deals

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What's your opinion on used ID4s from 2021ish? Used ones are surprisingly cheap to get and I'm a little unsure why that is

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Now they could deal with their quality management in terms of software as a next, huge leap.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Somewhat amazed they've rebounded this much given the VW emission scandal some years back. Guess it wasn't that brand-damaging after all.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

Barely made a dent commercially, but put the company in a difficult financial situation where build quality was a bit lower and cars a bit more expensive for a while.

The point of these punishments should never be to kill a company, but to hurt investors, who are ultimately responsible for setting the CEOs agenda.

And, well, VW stock is still down about -80% compared to pre-dieselgate. So I would say eurocapitalism working as intended.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

After Krasnov was elected, all big ticket items are on hold for at least two years. Bravo Volkswagen Group kicking Tesla in the nutsacks. Carry on!

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