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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can draw a line from the Tories and Whigs at the USA's founding to the modern day Republican and Democrat parties.

They didn't just spring from the ether, they were birthed from internal party politics. Why do you think the most progressive people we have in our Congress are Democrats or, in cases like the incredibly rare independent like Bernie, are working with the Dems?

It's not a fluke. Being surprised that sitting on your hands and pouting that the party won't pay attention to a person who won't do anything to help them win is crazy.

What's your pitch? "hey as someone who will do literally nothing to improve your odds of being elected you should pay attention to me!". No, it doesn't work like that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My pitch if you had been watching, and my whole reason for being here in the first place was the comment that, 100 days into a trump presidency still blames the large group of progressive disenfranchised voters for the fall of democracy. These voters are not agents of political power beyond who they vote for. If they did not vote for democrats, that is because of a deficiency in the democratic platform. The democrats do not get to be a progressive platform by default because they are the party of damage mitigation. They are by all intense and purposes, a right wing political party who’s demonstrated position is on passing conservatives policies that are more temperate then the republicans. they post lip service to progressive values when it comes time to vote, and then is thrown away when it comes time to act.

They want my vote, they can act like it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bro, I get it, but I'm a pragmatist more than an idealist. I hate our electoral system with a fiery passion too. I'm just operating in reality and trying to get the least bad outcome we can with what we have.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

If you are a pragmatist, then you must see that the current pattern of damage mitigation has ratcheted us into a worse and worse position. Before the last election “now is not the time! We can talk about reform after we stop trump” and i with great discomfort obliged. Well now it’s time, as apparently we are never going to move on from blaming the scape-goat and also full on refuse to acknowledge the democrats fault. If There will never be an appropriate time to deal with the duplicitous party, then it might as well as be now.

A pragmatist should see the end of the path this leads to and change accordingly knowing that the pragmatic approach means possible pain involved. To me voting blue no matter who is surrendering decision making with the hope that against all evidence the Democratic Party will change once they get everything they want. That to me seems to be an idealist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Right enjoy the MAGA boot leather.