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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

TIL that a ~50% improvement in energy use is 'absolutely negligible'.

I agree that the energy star system may be flawed but the premise of your comment is wild.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

85 dollars spread over the course of 365 days is .23 cents a day. 45 dollars spread over 365 days is .12 cents a day. Omg. A whole .11 cents of saving in energy costs. Whoopdy doo! But yes if you turn it into a percentage that number seems way way bigger! 50% savings! A whole 40 bucks a year!

It's funny because energy costs is just one small aspect of refrigeration.

Did you know that fridges made in the 80s and 90s leaked far less freon than ones made in the last 10 years?

The environmental impact of modern refrigeration is staggering compared to that of about 40 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Freon is a brand name that covers a bunch of refridgerants, but when people talk about freon with negative connotations they are usually referring to the original CFC-based Freon products such as the widely-used refridgerant R-12. Fridges haven't used CFCs since the early 90s, when they were banned and phased out world-wide due to their ozone-depleting potential.

They were replaced by R-134a (tetrafluoroethane) which is less harmful, and other non-CFC refridgerants but those have since also being phased out for even better options. Modern fridges of the last 10-20 years use butane (R600a) and alternatives which are the current least-harmful options for both health and the environment. Butane is burned as a fuel by the millions of tonnes every year, so an ounce or two leaking from a refrigerator is of truly minimal concern.

In short, if you have bought a fridge since circa 1994 you don't have to worry about it "leaking freon", that is a non issue.

The ozone hole is being actively & closely monitored and has been increasing since the ban, projected to completely close & return to 1980 levels by 2075. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ozone_depletion&wprov=rarw1

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

He's using Maga-nomics. Real numbers don't mean anything