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Women only trans inclusive This is an inclusive community for all things women. Whether you're here for make up tips, feminism or just friendly chit chat, we've got you covered.

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Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Any woman-identified person under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is welcome.
Don’t be a dick. No personal attacks, no aggression, play nice.
Don’t hate on groups, hatefilled talk about groups is not allowed. Ever.
No governmental politics, so no talk of Trump actions etc. We recommend [email protected] for that, but here is an escape from it.

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You can't be feminist without including some of the most vulnerable women in society

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There is some implicit notion that when a woman becomes more masculinity it is good, and trans men somehow embody the ultimate apotheosis of a woman (i.e. a woman who achieves manhood), it all just reeks of misogyny and transphobia to me. This thinking seems to hate femininity and it negates the male gender identity of trans men.

It's certainly not a notion I hold.

My own stance on this is strictly from the "harm done" angle. Transitioning is already incredibly tough to do. You're probably losing friends. You're probably losing family. Everybody around you is looking at you with different eyes, many of which are hostile.

To suddenly lose an entire community that was supportive (presumably) as well? That would be nasty!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Yes, and being a man is very alienating and lonely ... that aspect of transitioning to be a man can be a bit of a shock I've heard.

I think the rule should allow those people to decide to what extent they belong in a womens-only community, and that gives them the space to make that decision ... there is also the fact that in my mind a big reason for a womens space is to provide a space where people who have been oppressed as women can talk away from the oppressors, and trans men typically have a history of living as a woman and thus having had the experiences of that social oppression (despite being men).

Either way, allowing people to self-identify and choose themselves whether they belong in a women-only community (rather than gatekeeping others identities) seems like the right approach to me.