Europe
Europe community on dbzer0. Intended to be a place to discuss European news, politics, or just general topics from a European perspective. Since this is on dbzer0 expect the community to lean more leftist-anarchist but a wide range of views are accepted here (within reason).
Rules:
1. No Bigotry or Hate Speech
Any forms of Homophobia, Transphobia, Queerphobia, Racism, or Ableism will be met with swift and harsh action and will not be tolerated here whatsoever. Bigots will be banned immediately on-sight. This includes apologia of it.
Trying to be politely or intellectually bigoted i.e. "Just asking questions" won't be tolerated.
2. No Zionism
Any forms of Zionism or Zionist rhetoric will not be tolerated here, this includes Zionist apologia, accusations of antisemitism towards anti-Zionists, or blatant denial or downplaying of the genocide towards Palestinians. Any attempt to uphold or prop up the IHRA definition of antisemitism, will be treated as Zionism.
Anyone engaging in Pro-Zionist sentiment or apologia will be actioned in accordance with its severity.
Note: Trying to find loopholes or whataboutery to see what is or isn't genocide denial or Zionism will be treated as a violation of this rule. Don't test us.
3. Stay Civil
Please maintain civil discourse in the community. Do not engage in arguments with others, name-calling, or insults. Note that calling out bigotry or Zionism is not considered an insult. In heated arguments users are encouraged to or even required to disengage failure to do so will result in mod action.
4. No Misinformation
Spreading of misinformation intentionally in this community is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Spreading misinformation hurts the credibility of the community and can mislead people sometimes in dangerous ways. Users who intentionally post misinformation as articles, comment answers, or in attempt to win arguments will be actioned swiftly.
Note: This includes Russian and Chinese propaganda. Users with a history of such posting will be banned on sight.
5. No AI Content
Please do not post articles or content primarily created using generative AI. Generative AI content may contain misinformation or be lower quality and thus is discouraged. Posts and comments featuring it will be removed. However this community does not allow or tolerate Anti-AI trolling or hostility and users who engage in such behavior will be actioned for it, additionally Anti-AI trolling violates Rule 3 and often Rule 4 so it is generally unacceptable already.
Note: Rules 1 & 2 may be subject to preemptive mod action due to their severity, and they apply to a user's entire post history. Not just this community.
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I think it does yes.
You're morally corrupt.
Why? You're a citizen so it's your duty to protect your country. If you don't want that, go to a country that wouldn't care.
People that take advantage of their country but not fight for it are the immoral ones.
That is your opinion. I disagree. You are born into a country without being asked and would be forced to move your life to a country based on if they force you to die if they deem it necessary. That has nothing to do with democracy and freedom.
Apart from that, the UN agrees with me in human rights resolution 1995/83 "conscientious objection to military service". It is also a human right not to be sent to die against your will just to save a state. Because fighting in a war does not mean you save the people in said country. Think about it.
I still think it should be your duty. Otherwise you never were a real part of the country. I feel it mostly depends on the attackers and your chances of winning. If your friends and family have been part of the collective that has been protecting you your whole life, and those lives are in danger, it's extremely selfish to just sit back and hope for the best.
It's of course your right to think and say that.
That said, protecting a country is not the same as your loved ones. You can do that with a gun sitting at your window. Also it strongly depends on why you are supposed to defend it.
Because honestly, protecting nazi germany was one's duty at the time. I would have shot myself before i'd have done that.
It is incredibly important to not pass rash judgement but think about the implications beforehand.
Also some food for thought: you see killing as a must for living in a country. Maybe ask yourself why you think that. What good does it do to kill other people? The vast majority of lost life in battles in the last 50 years wasnt in justified wars but to protect capital interests. Maybe lets not die for money?
I have asked myself this. Now you should ask yourself if you would wish to submit to Russian rule as a Ukrainian.
Good. I also have. If you tell me your thoughts, i'll tell you mine.
I do not remember signing up for a meat fodder to protect oligarch's money lol
Conscription is immoral. If you sign up to fight for your country, and you run away, well that's a lot more morally ambiguous.
It isn't. You're living in a country that has been protecting you your whole life. People often forget this. If you don't want to fight for the country you live in. Go someplace else. Otherwise you're just selfish.
I'm sorry, but this take feels like it comes from the mind of a thirteen year old with zero understanding of how the world works. There are far, far more ways to contribute back to a country than going to die for it.
You're making this very personal so I'm just going to block you. You're clearly just a privileged person who should stop projecting.