I'm getting really sick of leftist social media like Bluesky just being about being another echo chamber and completely unaware of it because "we're the good politics!"
The sentiment that men are only men if they're associated with the right has been out in full swing for a few years now and it's just tiring.
Harris didn't win because men will never accept a woman president. Except all the men who voted for her, they don't count, the left gets told it has a problem with men all the time and deflects by saying that it's men who have the problem by going to the right and supporting them.
Never, not once, are men acknowledged for supporting leftist beliefs or voting for the party, and it's even looked down upon when they ask for acknowledgement, like it's entitlement while men on the right live rent free in the heads of the leftist base.
Men get shit on for being asked to be recognized as men on the left but that identity is freely given to men on the right, they don't have to ask to be acknowledged or recognized because they're doing what is expected by being the bad guys.
Straight men in particular, you'll be recognized as a man on the left if you're gay because it assures everyone who isn't a man you don't want anything from them.
Like for fuck's sake the right is abhorrent and shames women and LBGTQ people for their existence I don't know how the left got to this point of also saying "you're not really a man unless you hate women" and not realizing they're perpetuating the same bullshit.
Like I don't hate women for being women, but I fucking hate when people assert "all men just hate women" because it's dumb shit gender essentialism that is just dismissing anything a guy might say in response that isn't telling the speaker to go fuck themselves.
Yeah of course the right is doing better with men, they aren't shaming them for existing and only acknowledging them as being pieces of shit.
It's frustrating because there's days where I want to say fuck it and go join the other side and I think the left actually wants that more than the right does because they validate men who do it and men who stick with the left? "Yeah whatever do you want a medal?"
How about to be recognized as the gender I identify as and a human being? Apparently too much to ask when it's a man.
I'm not sure what you mean by "acknowledge men". Can you expand on that?
I would agree that the left tends to pick on men, but you seem to be probing at something other than "the left picks on men while the right doesn't", and I'm not clear what that is.
It's often easier to point to a problem than to suggest a solution. That's mostly the problem of the left in fact : they (we) point at the problems of minority, and this makes it mostly like the solution is to stop the problematic behaviour.
But it's much harder than that in practice when the problem is patriarchy. The whole society is the problem. And the left doesn't show a 'ew model, it only says that the old model must be destroyed. Which is completely true. But what will be left of the chaos?
A society must be build on culture. And right now the left destroys the old culture that must be destroyed, and it can feel that nothing is built to replace it.
IMO the center of the problem is the heterosexual relationships. How do you interact with the other sex. And it is not about what you shouldn't do, but what you should do.
For an example, courteous love was invented in the middle ages for this purpose. As was the ideal of the knight. Later it became the renaissance man, although the name is from modern history.
The question is what the modern men and women be. It is cultural work that must be done, and very, very few people ever touch on this subject.
And this absence means that all that progressive men ear is what's targeting at the conservative assholes. And more often than not it makes no distinction. In fact, very often it even warns those men that pretend to be allies but aren't. This antagonistic discourse is wearing and tearing on the soul.
Yeah well put
That if a man says "hey I'm a man I don't want to be picked on I want to be accepted for who I am" the response isn't "ah ok cool sounds good we want that for everyone", it's a dismissal and assumption that being a man means you already are accepted or don't need community outside of what men are painted to be.
First off, thanks for an honest and non-shitpost response (there's got to be a better way to phrase that but its not coming to me atm).
I don't think the problem is as severe or systemic as you're making it out to be. I think if the individual you're speaking to lashes out at the mention of you being a man, then that individual is an asshole and that's just kinda the end of it.
Can you give some concrete examples you've experienced/seen of this? I'm unfamiliar with the community rules on linking to other posts (and app doesn't let me save comments drafts to double check), but if that's allowed and you can link to examples of this (since it seems like you're referencing online interactions), I'd appreciate it.
I think the problem here is that there is a tendency to support your own team so to speak and oppose the other team that gets used to justify being an asshole and turns into a dogpile. Or birds of a feather flock together maybe. Either way the voices of those people get amplified and shout down anyone who disagrees.
Take the CEO of the onion dating a woman running for a position in the House of Representatives, the loudest voices were just being dismissive of the idea that that should be anyone's business or that either of them would ever do anything unethical with that relationship or that satire isn't journalism and the CEO can't have influence over anyone.
which holy shit if a politician on the right was dating the CEO of a right wing company people would be really upset, and there were plenty of people pointing this out or that the same standards should apply regardless of party and not calling for any consequences either, but then getting told that they're really just trolls who want her to not run for office because the social hivemind on the left loves to find the worst examples of people and then say that anyone who agrees with a base opinion they hold must be the same as those people.
which drives me fucking nuts because it's exactly what the right does but they do it to the left while the left does it to their own fucking base whether it be about applications of ethics or gender stuff
I mean I just got told on Bluesky that it's ok to say "men.... Negative think" And it's everyone else's responsibility to know you really just mean specific men and I'm telling on myself as one of those men for taking any issue with the practice.
Hell the post I was originally replying to had screenshots of people being shitty to men and the response to them was that random posts aren't proof when like yes that's how proof works, but the goalpost gets moved to "well it's not a real problem" and downplayed instead of anyone just defusing the situation by saying "yeah that sucks, people shouldn't be shitty to men just like they shouldn't be shitty to women".
I'm not keeping a collection of posts nor do I think it's this sweeping universal thing, I run into posts being shitty and ignore them and move on until I make a vent post about it but I'm not tracking them as they happen, which apparently you need to because that's the other counter, that anecdotes aren't proof, which agreed they aren't, but it's telling IMO that the reaction to guys saying they feel this way is usually a lot more charged and accusatory than a guy saying he doesn't like the current state of things.
Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with anything you're saying in this or your other comment (to be absolutely clear, I'm saying I mostly agree with you). While I don't think the problems are necessarily systemic, I do agree there's a lot of folks who like to beat up on dudes for existing as a dude.
I think this is where I got the wrong impression. I assumed you were trying to hit at a solution (beyond "everyone should be more cognizant of how they talk to people), but it this is just you venting frustrations, then I hope it helped and I hope you don't get any backlash from letting out your frustrations. Lol, I don't know that I know if a better place for it, but I don't think this is your best venue.
One last thing though: what do you mean by this? The way its framed, it sounds like you mean it as a literal quote....but I'm not sure what context that could exist in to make that make sense?
Oops I meant "men... Negative thing" as in a statement starting with men followed by a negative statement (e.g. men are such pigs!)
And I am venting frustrations but also saying it's a vent post because of the powerlessness to enact a solution outside of my immediate reach, which is the real solution is do what is can to be better to people I interact with and it will spread but it's one thing irl and one thing with social media where it's a beast trying to defeat better communication with "engagement", it's fighting an uphill battle. Can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools as they say.