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Why? The party is dead. They're just holding onto their seats
Take the seats, you take it all. Keep the infrastructure of the party, keep the name recognition and the data they have, and replace the members
It's happening already - Hoggs funneled money into Mumdani's primary even as they try to ratfuck him out...
If the party is dead, why rely on a party designed from the ground up to serve wealthy donors? Entryism doesn't work.
You spelled "take" wrong
It matters because the party isn't the people, it's infrastructure. It's buildings, it's support staff, it's mailing lists and payment processors
It's getting a special (often unfair) place on the ballot in all 50 states. It's 50 (often flawed) primary processes that follow local laws
And it's a banner. Not one people like, but it's one banner. A banner that theoretically stands for democracy and the common man
The left is not organized. Do we rally behind a fresh, ideologically pure banner? Which one? How long to work out which group is the best? How long until we can build up that infrastructure?
Fuck that. Winning is what matters.
The people are on our side for now, there's so much anger and energy. How long until they adjust to the new normal and go back to refusing to believe in a better world?
We have a chance right now. The next 18 months. In one sweep we can take a tattered banner and get in control - before people get cold feet. While they're still just screaming for someone to stop Trump.
We can use the momentum to unfuck our democracy once we take control, but we can't get distracted. There's no room for purity or lofty ideals. We have to take what is offered and exploit every opportunity. We have to use the system against itself.
We have to win. Now. Or we all die
The infrastructure and design of the DNC is built from the ground up to service its donors, wealthy people. There isn't anything about a bourgeois party we need. Just join a party like PSL and learn from the success of other Socialists around the world. It isn't about ideological purity, it's about practicality, and what you're describing has never happened, ever. Entryism does not work, again.
The US never had a democracy. Trump is about as bad as every other president, only more honest about how evil it all is. The system cannot be used against itself, the state must be smashed and replaced entirely.
I understand that you have a lot of anger and energy, and I think it would be fantastic if you channeled that into studying successful leftist movements, read some theory, and join a good org, rather than try to repeat something that has never succeeded, ever.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good
I'm not. I'm saying the strategy of entryism is far less likely to work than revolution would be, and would be less likely than a third party winning on a more progressive platform. Again, Entryism doesn't work, it's a fantasy, and the more energy we waste on it the less likely we are to get to a better world.
I don't think you understand.
Socialism isn't on the table. We're so incredibly far from that. Let me know when the revolution is coming and I'll be there for it... Until then we very real issues that we can make a bit better. Not good - we're totally fucked - but we can make things less horrible
There's a genocide in progress. We're going to go through a depression. We can tea party the Democrats to be more progressive... There's no time to build up something new
I can't impress on you enough how many people are going to die
I don't think you understand. Your plan of entryism is not a feasible solution. It isn't that it isn't as good as socialism, it's that it can't work to begin with. The DNC cannot be "tea partied." Entryism does not work, the infrastructure of the DNC is made to be resistant to it.
The most likely path to stopping the genocide in Palestine is revolution, and failing that, a third party electoral victory. It isn't about the purity of the solutions, but the feasibility. We cannot make things less horrible by relying on a system designed to never move in a more progressive direction.
Again, join an org like PSL, read some theory (I made a Marxist-Leninist intro reading list you can check out if you want), and study historical leftist movements and how they came to power. Don't fall for the endless trap of entryism.