Not exactly. The mass pig expansion program across the country in the 1990s was spearheaded by Bill Clinton. The pro pig Dems are just as actively racist and murderous as the pro pig Reps.
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That depends entirely on who we vote for in the primaries.
See: Zohran Mamdani for an example
To be fair, Mamdani is facing massive backlash from the Dem establishment.
That's the thing; most democrat politicians hate him nearly as much as the republican ones do, as they're more similar to one another than either is to him. There are a few exceptions, but we're going to need people aligned with Mamdani to be the norm rather than the exception if we want the democratic party to become a real force for good.
I doubt it's possible for the DNC to be a force for good, better to have a new party entirely.
Why? The party is dead. They're just holding onto their seats
Take the seats, you take it all. Keep the infrastructure of the party, keep the name recognition and the data they have, and replace the members
It's happening already - Hoggs funneled money into Mumdani's primary even as they try to ratfuck him out...
If the party is dead, why rely on a party designed from the ground up to serve wealthy donors? Entryism doesn't work.
You spelled "take" wrong
It matters because the party isn't the people, it's infrastructure. It's buildings, it's support staff, it's mailing lists and payment processors
It's getting a special (often unfair) place on the ballot in all 50 states. It's 50 (often flawed) primary processes that follow local laws
And it's a banner. Not one people like, but it's one banner. A banner that theoretically stands for democracy and the common man
The left is not organized. Do we rally behind a fresh, ideologically pure banner? Which one? How long to work out which group is the best? How long until we can build up that infrastructure?
Fuck that. Winning is what matters.
The people are on our side for now, there's so much anger and energy. How long until they adjust to the new normal and go back to refusing to believe in a better world?
We have a chance right now. The next 18 months. In one sweep we can take a tattered banner and get in control - before people get cold feet. While they're still just screaming for someone to stop Trump.
We can use the momentum to unfuck our democracy once we take control, but we can't get distracted. There's no room for purity or lofty ideals. We have to take what is offered and exploit every opportunity. We have to use the system against itself.
We have to win. Now. Or we all die
The infrastructure and design of the DNC is built from the ground up to service its donors, wealthy people. There isn't anything about a bourgeois party we need. Just join a party like PSL and learn from the success of other Socialists around the world. It isn't about ideological purity, it's about practicality, and what you're describing has never happened, ever. Entryism does not work, again.
The US never had a democracy. Trump is about as bad as every other president, only more honest about how evil it all is. The system cannot be used against itself, the state must be smashed and replaced entirely.
I understand that you have a lot of anger and energy, and I think it would be fantastic if you channeled that into studying successful leftist movements, read some theory, and join a good org, rather than try to repeat something that has never succeeded, ever.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good
I don't think you understand.
Socialism isn't on the table. We're so incredibly far from that. Let me know when the revolution is coming and I'll be there for it... Until then we very real issues that we can make a bit better. Not good - we're totally fucked - but we can make things less horrible
There's a genocide in progress. We're going to go through a depression. We can tea party the Democrats to be more progressive... There's no time to build up something new
I can't impress on you enough how many people are going to die
Better in a vacuum, yes, but as /u/disguy_[email protected] pointed out, a huge amount of voters pay absolutely no attention, and just vote for whatever color they've always voted for. Hell, a bunch of people searched "Did Joe Biden drop out?" on election day, because they paid so little attention that they didn't even know about Harris. That's an extreme example, sure, but it's just not a realistic expectation to think people will really think hard about a 3rd party, especially when it won't get a proportionate amount of attention even if it got a huge amount of support, thanks to the billionaire-backed media.
If we don't get someone into one of the 2 established parties, we're crippling ourselves, likely to the point of immediate failure. It would be significantly more viable to change one of the parties by flooding it with new socialist politicians than it would be to build up a new platform based on socialism from the start.
Nah, entryism is a proven failure. As conditions worsen, people pay increasingly more attention to politics. Reformism in general is a lost cause, revolution is necessary, but entryism is especially bad.
That doesn’t matter at all. He won the primary with a grassroots campaign, so he doesn’t need their funding. Being in the blue/Working Families column will win the know-nothing vote in NYC.
The key is for us to seek out the progressive on the primary ballot and vote. We shouldn’t be rewarding the candidates that have the financial means to find us in our living rooms. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule.
It's less about funding, and more about the fuckery they can do by making Cuomo run as an independent. Electoralism will never be the permanent answer, revolution is still necessary, but Mamdani is still good for now.
The Democratic party is terrified of that dude. Primary all of them.
100%. There are primaries all the time. The only difference with Zohran is we showed up.
not really just that, as the system resists when actual socialists get into significant power in capitalist institutions.
weve been there, done that. i assure you they will be doing their best to stop or coopt him, if they aint already.
the bright side is you just got an opportunity to actually really improve things materially, hes a good sign. this will depend more on his supporters than himself though, and i don't think the us public is just about ready to actually really materially support a socialist dissident in power.
Bombs vs bombs with rainbow flags.
It's June, so the democrat cop should have a pride pin.
Careful you're going to make Godric very angry and he will have to be the adult in the room
Yeah. But also a quick test to see how far gone American society is: if the Dems get elected it means that, at least for the sake of optics and spin, morals play some sort of role still.
Don't kid yourself. Rich Democrats love dirty cops.
The republican is actively killing. Yeah that seems to check out.
I know you're trying to say they're the same but no, they're not. You accidentally showed how dems are better.
It's no accident, I'm sure. They are better, as they're not helping the killers, but they're nowhere near as good as is necessary to stop them. Pretty much the perfect definition of the average democratic politician these days: you vote for them to stop the killing, but you know that - whether by choice or not - they won't do anything to prevent more deaths when the killers come back into power.
I'm happy we're electing people like Zohran Mamdani, but we're going to need a lot more of them before our leftmost viable party can be considered even a little left. We need politicians that make change, and when the system doesn't let them, they band together with the rest of the population to force it, instead of just complaining about how they wish they could make change but can't. The leaders need to be leading the charge, to battle if necessary.
It's not like the democrats committed a genocide
Yeah...they are watching and doing nothing...a failure and an accessory. The results are the same whether they are there or not, when they could prevent atrocities.
This who is better bullshit doesnt matter, they are complicit.
If we remove the Republicans, things get better. If we remove the Democrats, things stay the same. It's not a question of who is better, but who is worse. Until we change the voting and representation systems (hello Approval Voting and Sequential Proportional Approval Voting) picking the lesser evil is the only logical and moral choice.
The liberal brain, gentlemen. Tou Thao was convicted for keeping bystanders from intervening while not doing anything himself. He might've been less worse, but he still deserved to go to prison. And he remained unrepentant to the end. Of the four cops he got the second worst sentence despite never laying a hand on Mr. Floyd precisely because he refused to admit any culpability. It really is a good comparison, seeing this comment.
Ask George Floyd which was better for him.
Shitlibs thinking they’re the hero taking the photo and not the one under the boot .
This made me laugh hard
The rest of us standing there just looking at them