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We're getting scapegoated for the DDOS attack that affected us too yesterday, all because @Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net made one (admittedly kinda funny) joke here.

Normally I wouldn't post petty internet bullshit like this but I thought our admins should know.

Edit: Entire thread is a gold mine for dunk tank material tho

Edit2: Now the Spook of @Alaskaball@hexbear.net is getting namedropped

Edit3: So after some digging (read: 5 mins browsing lemmy instances) another user made this post saying the attacker was someone with a personal beef with .world completely unrelated to us? Documented methodology of attack is different but similar to the spam bot we got hit with too, but idk I'm just amateur hour here not an OpSec pro.

Edit4: I was trying to click on the links provided in that post to double check but lemmy.world went down data-laughing

Edit5: Official Statement

So who is attacking us? One thing that is clear is that those responsible of these attacks know the ins and outs of Lemmy. They know which database requests are the most taxing and they are always quick to find another as soon as we close one off. That’s one of the only things we know for sure about our attackers. Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.

Damn, I never knew what it was like to live somewhere rent-free until now

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[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 88 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary

Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me”

I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me”

I’m literally the most left person

I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me”

I’m literally the most left person

I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me”

https://lemmy.ml/comment/2430666

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What a lying piece of shit he is. He didn't make a post supportive of trans people, he literally barged in here and told us we should talk less about trans issues. He had the fucking audacity to walk into a queer space and tell trans people to shut up about our lifes in our safe space, and now he still cries big baby tears about being banned for that months later.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

blocky-wat

Oh of course we could talk less about trans issues, just face the wall for a second really quick.

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

they're a lefty from waaaay back

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago (4 children)

To be fair ...

I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary

Would be a banger of a tagline if it came from us and not some shit transphob.

[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That just makes it a better tagine. Imagine coming here and seeing your own comment you got banned for as the taglinee.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

petitioning the devs to give the mods an extra removal button that removes + appends a comment to the tagline

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

Quoting chuds being morons is a favorite for the taglines!

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

it's still a good tagline. some of our best taglines are from reactionaries

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

yeah idk why i hang out with all you libs

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

We could use a David Feldman emote

[–] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin

Depending on your zip code, that's not really fucking saying much.

[–] yoink@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin

maybe you should know better people then

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me

yes, when you remove that part of the sentence it does sound bad. otherwise it sounds like they supported trans rights. i'm real confused on how yall are reading that. if "i don't care" is bad, then they should actually care deeply about what other people do with their body? I'm pretty sure that isn't it either. maybe it's word salad and should say "i dont care what people do with their body, it doesn't effect me." Which sounds like a good thing to me.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think there are situations where that guy's comment are fine, and situations where it's not, and their telling of the story most likely hides a shitty reactionary context.

Like that thing where antifeminists show up in feminist discussions and start talking about male circumcision; it's a legitimate issue (that feminists care about!) being used to shout over a different one. Or like how "all lives matter" was used to shout down people saying "black lives matter," even though the statement "all lives matter" would be good in response to anti-homeless rhetoric.

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

i agree they might not be telling the whole story either.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

Yeah he wasn't, he actually demanded that leftists should talk less about trans issues. On hexbear. He demanded that trans people shut up in their safe spaces, that turd of a human being. And then he got all defensive and gaslighty and trying to weaponize his identity, all "i was bullied in school for being gay" or "i'm bi myself" and incoherent, contradictory shit like that.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Between this and how they talk about "oh i loved being on the sub but hexbear is just a shitshow" I can probably guess when and from what struggle session they left.

[–] Sphere@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

~~I think we're used to having good mods whose decisions aren't worth questioning; this was often not the case on the subreddit, though.~~

Never mind, I just re-read their comment--this supposedly happened here on Hexbear. Bullshit, there's zero chance it happened the way they said.

Further edit: holy shit he's talking about this post, just a tiny bit of contextual info left out lmao

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oh wow, i had completely forgotten about that asshole. Glad that transphobic piece of shit hasn't forgotten about us, though.

[–] Sphere@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I gotta hand it to @VolatileExhaustPipe@lemmygrad.ml for doing that sleuthing, or I'd never have found it myself.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why the fuck would he think using a shabibo emoji was a good idea on top of the other shit in that terrible argument?

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

tbh i don't think that guy thinks much.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like the "I don't care about [issue], it doesn't affect me" mindset ends up going down the south park libertarian path of "and this is why anyone who cares about this issue either way is bad."

I might be wrong, but being on the left should come from a place of empathy and solidarity, not apathy.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

that's actually what happened here. they literally told us to care less about trans rights

[–] NoGodsNoMasters@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

The thing is, that's not what actually happened. They basically made a post where they suggested that we were talking too much about trans stuff and this was somehow contributing to the right's obsession with trans people

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

Grill pill is not the farthest left there is, and that's basically grill pill

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't understand how to read that other than as a defense of bodily autonomy. In the same way that I'm not invested in any specific individuals decision to get an abortion or not, while still defending and supporting the right to an abortion.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

Well it's coming from a person who literally got banned for making a thread on here were he demanded we should talk less about trans issues. It's not a defense of bodily autonomy, it's entirely a defense of his liberal ass against 100% justified accusations of open transphobia and wrecking.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A "I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me" is clearly supporting the status quo. How is that working out for women in the USA?

We must be active, vocal, unwavering, and have no bounds in our support towards vulnerable groups. Like our women and trans comrades.

Anything else is reactionary.

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We must be active, vocal, unwavering, and have no bounds in our support towards vulnerable groups. Like our women and trans comrades.

Absolutely in terms of supports of rights for the groups, but we must be fundamentally deflationary about the effects any particular, individual manifestation of those rights has on other people. If an individuals particular exercise of bodily autonomy is taken to have meaningful practical impacts on others, it becomes fair game for moral and political interference, such as the (lack of a) right to curl my finger around the trigger of an SKS and fire it into the air.

I think there's something of a conflation going on between supporting the groups right to exercise bodily autonomy, which is a moral obligation as a leftist, and the obligation to be invested in any particular expression of that bodily autonomy. If we hold to the latter we're implicitly giving other people a veto over other people's expression of gender identity, which is bad.

To wit, I can defend the right to abortion, but I am in no position to tell any woman they should or should not get an abortion. I can help them understand their choice and it's consequences, but I have no right normatively to tell them how they should exercise that choice.

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

yea they should care about what people do with their bodies, and think it effects them. that would be much better.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah that's a bad take from a doofus, but the original comment seemed to take issue with the statement in a vacuum.

[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the same as the difference between "I'm not racist" and being anti-racist.

Most Americans think they are not racist because they aren't actively and consciously hurting people based on their race. They're just supporting racist systems and refuse to break those down or challenge their unconscious biases. They don't care that people are black, they just don't want to hear about their problems.

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

I disagree, for the reasons outlined below. You can be actively pro-choice and pro-trans rights without being personally involved with and invested in every particular manifestation of those rights.

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)