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That's our choice: ineffective when not driven by the Orange party, vs actually indolent and evil. No one else can get in under FPtP, so that's it.
The people that didn't show up could have elected a pile of bricks to the Ontario and made one Premier -even under FPTP. Political apathy is a much bigger threat than the electoral system -and the later is used by propagandists to drive the former.
There's a push right now for a National Citizens' Assembly on Electoral Reform to be created. An NDP MP, in cooperation with a Green MP, is putting forward a motion (M-86) to that effect. Parliament will vote on this either this Fall or early Winter.
https://www.fairvote.ca/19/06/2023/national-citizens-assembly-on-electoral-reform-to-be-voted-on-in-parliament/
Petition (sign today): https://www.danielblaikie.ca/a_citizens_assembly
The problem with the other systems is that they put an inordinate amount of power in the hands of fringe parties. If, for example, Alberskatchetoba managed to elect a few open fascists and they are deciding votes for who gets into power we end up with a small group of fascists dictating government policy. We need a system that truly reflects the will on the majority of Canadians. If we had that all of the christofascist virtue signaling hate would be off the table. The vast majority of Canadians want women to have the choice, LGBTQ to have rights, etc.
After Trump and Scott Moe and Ron DeSantis, this argument no longer persuades me. We have this problem of a few fringe extremists getting in already. I'll take a real reprentative democracy in exchange for a few more.
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That's just nonsense. You don't seem to have any connection to reality.
Stephen Harper ran up the deficit and the debt, destroyed years of scientific research, muzzled government experts who didn't agree with his christofascist dogma, and had the support of 36.3%, 37.7%, and 39.6% of the popular vote. At no point did he have the support of the majority of Canadians.
Our current Liberal + NDP government with 50.44% of the popular vote is the closes things we've had in a very long time to a government that represents the will of the majority of Canadians.
More fantastic nonsense.
What happens if New Brunswick of Alberta manage to elect a couple of christfascists and those people hold the balance of power. What if they demand that PP take away women's rights and the rights of the LGBTQ Canadians? 56% of Canadians agree that women should have the right to choose and that percentage is growing. 85% support LGBTQ rights. Why should a few extremists be allowed to force the government to go against the will of the majority of the people as a result of a quirk of our electoral system?
The NDP national dental care plan which they forced the Liberals to implement actually has the support of 72% of Canadians. In that case a party that truly cares for the well being of the people is forcing a useless, old school party to follow the will of the people. As I said, this is the most democratic government we've had in a long time.
Look, I know your way is to spew fantastic nonsense that has no connection to reality. If you want to have a conversation based in reality we can. I'm not going to argue with your fantasies.
What you're saying is a strange, fantasy that has no connection to reality.
Sorry...I'm not interested in talking about your fantasies. We really need to discuss the reality of the Canadian political situation.
Have a good day.
No, it isn't, as I said above. The Harper government was elected three times with less than 40% of the popular vote and did all the things that Conservatives do, ran up the deficit, ran up the debt, cut taxes for the rich and corporations, cut services for everyone else, burned decades of scientific research and muzzled government experts to push his christofascist dogmatic agenda, passed unconstitutional laws as a dog whistle to his christofascist base then spent millions of dollars defending them to the Supreme Court only to have 100% of those unconstutitional laws struck down. How is that representing the majority of Canadians when then had the support of less than 40%?
The current Liberal + NDP agreement government far better represents the will of the people but it's a quirk of the FPTP system.
You see? This is the kind of nonsense that is disconnected from reality. Harper was freely and fairly elected and was defeated in a free and fair election. He was nothing approaching a dictator.
I'm simply not willing to continue to discuss this with you if you're not making arguments that are connected to reality.
Have a good day.
Sorry...your position is so ridiculous that there is no room for discussion.
Your positions are so absurd that there is no chance to have a reasonable conversation.
MapleEngineer: I'm going to come over and fuck your wife.
Rocket: The fuck you are.
MapleEngineer: Let's negotiate and find some middle ground. Maybe she can just give me a blowjob.
When your opening position is absurd there is literally no room for discussion. You always take the most ridiculously extreme and absurd position. That leaves no room for reasonable discussion.
Have a nice day.