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The plummeting poll numbers for Justin Trudeau and the federal Liberals might not seem as dire if Canada had adopted a new voting system.

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[–] ILikeBoobies 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Libs are closer to the Cons than they are the NDP

[–] FunderPants 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn't true at all. Liberals are much closer to social democrats than they are to fiscal and social conservatism.

[–] ILikeBoobies 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are fiscally conservative not just close

[–] FunderPants 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, the Liberal Party is fiscally liberal, not fiscally conservative. While both philosophies think a market economy is the best economic system, a fiscal liberal is more inclined to use fiscal policy to intervene in that market economy to rectify social or economic inequalities. This would be entirely counter to fiscal conservatism.

For example, a fiscal liberal will support a public health system, a public broadcaster, $10 a day childcare, and EV / electrification/greening grants.

A fiscal conservative will be more laissez faire, and not want any of those things.

I bring this up because by not recognizing the difference we set ourselves up to put conservatives back into power, after all , β€œboth sides same”.

Now social democrats (of which many in the NDP are) tend towards mixed-economy, social-liberalism. This philosophy contains the main body of New Democrats and a contingent of LPC (the left-liberals, social liberals). It's why we can see progress on nationalized programs under LPC-NDP governments. The NDP has a true democratic socialist rump too, but they have much fewer areas of true overlap with Liberal philosophy.

[–] ILikeBoobies 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Public health/daycare

NDP

public broadcaster

Cons want this as well, but they want it to favour them

EV / electrification/greening grants.

Cons give grants to oil/gas, you’re confusing energy grants (economic) with climate change (social)

[–] anonymoose 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought the cons wanted to abolish the CBC?

[–] psvrh 2 points 1 year ago

They want to talk about abolishing the CBC, but if they did they'd lose their whipping boy. If they really cared, they'd also be talking about defunding RCI, but they're too chickenshit to take that on because Quebecois conservatives like it, while their Alberta base hates the CBC because...reasons.

[–] ILikeBoobies 1 points 1 year ago

Only for being non-biased

[–] FunderPants 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I'm not confused. You seem married to some fairly unsophisticated ideas about political philosophy, and I'm no divorce lawyer. Sorry to waste your time.

[–] ILikeBoobies 2 points 1 year ago

Your argument of giving grants to energy sure

But then the Cons also give grants to energy

So if you want to say they are both fiscally liberal then youve made a point but I think it is meaningless

[–] psvrh 2 points 1 year ago

This would be entirely counter to fiscal conservatism

Good thing that the Conservatives and Liberals are both...neoliberals, then.