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I'm curious to hear if you have any thoughts or ideas about this. As a developer I understand very well how Lemmy works, and cant tell at all what might be difficult or confusing.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Asking such a question to current users may lead to a survival bias. As people are already here it means there were no critical difficulties which could make them leave . More helpful would be to ask ones who have dropped attempts to be here because of some difficulties. Probably a way to leave a feedback or report an issue on a joinlemmy website could be helpful.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

survival bias.

Extremely good point.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

I made a GitHub issue on this already, but being able to go to a community or user from a federated instance by typing in a plaintext URL, instead of going by community and user IDs, which change depending on the instance you're viewing from, would be great. Something like domain.tld/c/[email protected] for the community on that instance. I've definitely had the issue of taking a while to find the same post or community on another instance.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

This is one of those little UX changes that would go a long way in making Lemmy and the federation concept it's built upon be easier to understand for every user.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago

It's kind of weird that most federated platforms don't have plaintext URLs for content originating from other instances.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

This is doable, and I like it better than the current way.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Many respond with specific issues, but for me it's just the federated structure. For non tech persons this may be a difficult concept to grasp and even though I programm a lot, some things got me confused, because I've never used anything like it. List for readability:

  • if I remember correctly I had to choose one instance for my account. (I had no idea if I get any restrictions depending on what instance I choose)
  • How can I visit or follow another instance and more importantly where can I find a list of instances? (I am using lemmur, but this may be a general point of confusion)

Maybe I missed some obvious things, but a getting started video would be great :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

Each instance has its own rules, and admins can decide which other instances to federate with. You also wont see all content from other instances by default, particularly if you are on a small instance.

Instance list: https://join-lemmy.org/instances

Federation getting started: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/federation_getting_started.html

Improvements to the docs are always good, and if someone wants to make a video about this, that would also be helpful.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (8 children)

Muting communities. Unsure if this is a lemmy or lemmur issue (I only use lemmur) It has been mentioned/asked before and I will +1 it. With the amount of c/ and instances growing, not having this will be chaotic in the long term. I like to see what is outside of my subscriptions for serendipity, but there are c/s that I would really like not to see ever.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

We're working on user and community blocking, its one of our next features.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

i agree that blocking a community would be a very useful feature

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

A getting started video tutorial? I think a video will be useful for new users. Most of the users from Reddit will probably be able to use lemmy without any issues

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

The option to list only the local communities in the Communities page.

This would be very appreciated by the instances other than lemmy.ml, specially the little ones where it's difficult for local users to find the existing local communities. You can see an example here: https://lemmy.eus/communities

Perhaps the default value of this filter could be managed by the "subscribed | local | all" option on the settings, like the posts on the home page.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

I agree, that is an important one, and it should be local only by default.

Issue link

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago

A cross instance subscription button. If you are on a Mastodon instance where you don't have an account you can still press the follow button and it will ask you your federated account name and pop up a small window where you can automatically setup the subscription in your home instance. This also works cross systems, so I can for example press that button and have the popup window show the subscription interface from a Hubzilla instance.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I access Lemmy almost entirely through Lemmur. Generally everything works super smoothly for my use case (Thank you!), but there are some limitations (eg quoting when responding to comments). Could I just go to the source? Yep. Will I? Almost never. I am guessing the more you can work with the app folks (I am just guessing that they are different people) to make all of your hard work easy to package the easier it would be for a newbie to pick it up.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

quoting when responding to comments

^working well here, what limitations does it have?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I still think a theme precisely imitating the old reddit design would go a long way in helping new users navigate the site. I am still bothered by the fact that lemmy's interface looks and acts like new reddit. I know its more "modern" but I feel like reddits modern users are exactly the opposite of who we want to target if were aiming to keep quality high on the site though I suspect as the flagship instance keep quality high will be difficult no matter what.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 3 years ago

Lemmy is not a Reddit clone. I also dont think that Reddits problems are caused by its redesign, but by its administration policies and profit incentive. That said, we have documentation for making new themes, and someone could create one that looks like old Reddit.

By the way, lemmy.ml is not a flagship instance.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

Make #hashtags work as filtering categories of posts with similar, or related themes?

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

being ablle to @ people on mobile like on desktop would be nice

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago (1 children)

You mean Lemmur? It is from a different author.

The web client in mobile allows that perfectly.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Most people here now come from Reddit, the interfaces are similar so I don't think most people would find it that difficult.

Maybe have a tutorial that highlights key buttons and describes what they do?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

It would be nice if people who dont use Reddit could also use Lemmy without problems. What would you say are the key buttons which are not obvious?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I agree that people who come here from other places should have an easy time. I think the UI is simple and intuitive overall, but an optional tutorial for new users might be good for some people.

Federation is not a common feature so I think 'subscribed', 'local' and 'all' could be highlighted/explained/described.

One of the first things a lot of social media apps do is get you to subscribe to content/communities you are interested in. So maybe you could highlight the 'Communities' button and say that you can find communities you are interested in.

You could also highlight that clicking the username in the top right takes you to post/comment history and settings.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Could you please open an issue in the lemmy-ui repo for this?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I don't think ease of use is the problem here, but rather the general appeal โ€“ like an incentive why someone would join Lemmy instead of some other community with similar features. One approach could be spreading posts on other sites that take the user to Lemmy with the option to sign up to comment or vote.

Then just let the network effect do its magic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

[โ€“] TheAgeOfSuperboredom 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I think a way to search for new federated communities from your instance would be nice (unless I'm not seeing it in the UI). Pasting the community URL into the search works, but it's a bit unintuitive. Perhaps a checkbox to search federated communities, or a dropdown of federated instances? Element for Matrix has an "Add a new server" option when you explore rooms, so something like that might work too. I guess I'm suggesting a little bit more of a discoverable UI.

I also think that this ticket here would be nice as well: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1540

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

You can also search for [email protected], maybe that needs to be explained somewhere? The remote follow button mentioned by someone else should also help with this problem.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

The user profile in responsive 1-column mode lists the posts and comments you made before that your configuration and subscribed communities.

That makes editing your profile difficult by making you to have to scroll a lot.

It would be great to set a tab for editing your profile, other for the posts and comments you made and a third one for the communities you subscribed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

This one is here, at some point I plan to make user settings its own dedicated page.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Just one thing. I'm pretty sure it isn't possible yet to "fold" or collapse comment threads on the web client, correct me if I'm wrong. That would be a really nice improvement now that there are longer conversations on some posts.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

To the right of user names, the minus sign.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I guess this is saying that it could be more obvious! Perhaps making it bigger/more contrast ?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I'm particularly interested in suggestions to make the front end more user-friendly. Especially giving examples of current sites / apps.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Perhaps you should have an alternative webclient like Reddit did with their new apps?

It does work better on mobile if you are not using a native app I have to say.

On the computer I quite like the feel for it. Then again if you were to get professional help I'm sure they would recommended moving loads of stuff around that would make it better that couldn't even think about.

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