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Principled Opposition (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is how Trump won in the first place, wikileaks published emails of Hilary's campaign doing this. Instead of critisizing her for being responsible for Trump, democrats blamed Russia and attecked Wikileaks as Russian spies, literally called for shooting the messenger.

This is a prime example of why voting for lesser evil is not a tactic in politics and the whole liberal ideology as whole that we just need to vote for right people, instead of removing powerful positions in government in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The wikileaks thing is highly suspect, though. Like, wikileaks intentionally disclosed a lot of publicly damaging dirt on Clinton and the Dems at a very sensitive time in the election while not releasing ANYTHING on the GOP, even though they supposedly had that information.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean Hilary had been personally, as Secretary of State, responsible for Julian's persecution for years and years, it's no surprise he would have had a grunge against her, with good reasons. It's also highly likely no one from the Dems side thought WikiLeaks was a good avenue for leaks because of it, and so no material was submitted. It's not really suspect, it's just logical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How so? I'm sure Clinton was pissed off that he published leaked documents originating from her department, but prosecution is not the role of the Secretary of State in the US government. And besides that, Sweden issued an arrest warrant in November 2010 and she resigned in February 2013. That's what, two years?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://www.npr.org/2010/11/29/131668950/white-house-aims-to-limit-wikileaks-damage

"Let's be clear. This disclosure is not just an attack on America -- it's an attack on the international community," Clinton said Monday at a State Department news conference. Such leaks, she said, "tear at the fabric" of responsible government.

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Clinton emphasized that she wanted to "make it clear to the American people and to our friends and partners that we are taking aggressive steps" to hold those who leaked the documents to account.

The cable leaks had everything to do with the State Department has it pertained mostly to foreign affairs, and American involvement and meddling in various countries.

The cable leak is what Julian is being prosecuted for right now, not the dropped charges from Sweden. We also now know for a fact that there was a secret indictment in the US the whole time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

What you're saying isn't necessarily a contradiction to what I said.

those who leaked the documents to account

Chelsea Manning leaked the documents. I think this was known relatively early on because she said something to a fellow soldier who tipped off their commanders.

And as I said, Clinton was certainly furious, but that doesn't mean she had much to do with Julian Assange being pursued. She wasn't even in office for most of that time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is nothing suspect about wikileaks, blueAnon just needs to learn to take responsibility for their actions

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing suspect besides them turning into Putin's laundromat. Oh, and then there was the not so subtle pushing of conspiracy theories exploiting Seth Rich's death. Real class act there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

nah, the real class act is the shit that we now know about what US does around the world and domestically thanks to wikileaks

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is what first past the post does to a country.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Countries without FPTP aren't exempt from any of this problem. Australia and Japan for example use different voting systems, and far-right governments and parties are and have been on the rise there also.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That’s not what this meme is about though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (17 children)

If you have two potential opponents, a slightly crazy one and a really crazy one, and you think you're more likely to be able to beat the really crazy one then it's a calculated risk to try and help the really crazy one beat the slightly crazy one for you. Your gamble doesn't pay off if suddenly the really crazy one beats you though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only that, the article states that they’ve only succeeded 4 out of 13 times getting the really crazy one nominated. So they’re playing with fire and wasting millions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And if the four times they succeeded, how many times did they lose to the crazy opponent?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They've always been pretty open about supporting extremist nutjobs in swing districts, because extremist nutjobs do terribly in general elections in swing districts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is some next-level fucked up man-behind-the-man-behind-the-curtain conspiracy bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's literally a documented fact.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Has anyone reported on it aside from a self-proclaimed conservative news outlet?

Edit: Just found NPR reporting on it

That doesn’t change that this planet can’t burn up soon enough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yay context!

a number of Democrats tried to boost far-right Republican candidates whom they deemed easier to beat in November.

The strategy seems to have paid off: In high-profile races where Democratic candidates or groups successfully used the strategy during the primaries, all of the Republicans they helped have either lost or are trailing, two days after Election Day.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the GOP wanted to counterattack, they could always start funding hyper-progressive candidates too 🙂

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they discovered that was at least going on with Bernie

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah but then they stabbed him in the back because they were scared he would do well (which he probably would) and they are just as scared of the system actually being shaken up

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

A perfect example of short term thinking that plagues US politics. Democrats boosted popularity of the far right to win a primary. This directly contributed to the republicans party sliding further into MAGA territory. Now, dems are looking at a wipe out by Trump in the coming election. This continues the great tradition of liberals ushering in fascism.

[–] owen 2 points 1 year ago

This is so stupid. Essentially 50 million into the money pit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Nice to see you truthful once in awhile. Many don't believe that the US/Russia/China are backing far right around the world despite the fact

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Coke and Pepsi game. Everyone does this.

China's intelligence community is closer friends with America's intelligence community than either of their own population.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Change the "e" in your username to "a".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Intelligence communities are closer friends with each other than their own people.

Since you have so much free time go find the list of people imprisoned by either country, executed by either country and killed either directly or indirectly by these countries. You'll see what I'm saying.

They have a better chance of making money one way than another, that's always what all of this is about. Money.

Intelligence communities are better friends with each other than their own people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is one of those I'm 13 and this is deep takes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Money rules the world. It's not deep, quite shallow in fact.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Like I said it's an understanding a 13 year old would have.

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