politics

Vance is now pro-abortion exceptions? Are you kidding me?

Edit: typo

Excellent answer. Humanizing the issue, giving practical information, and raising project 2025.

Walz just dropped the pet eating bomb back on JDs head.

There’s the attack on intelligence by dismissing PhDs by basically calling them stupid and replacing intelligence with “common sense”, feels before reals.

The “experts” said shipping jobs overseas would save Americans money?

That wasn’t experts, that was business lobbyists and CEOs who wanted higher profits.

Do people actually believe the Vice President can single handily pass legislation?

They will have the study in 2 weeks. Also, was it done by the evil experts we can’t trust?

Does Congress need to pass bills to help border patrol?

Vance: The president has to solve it by helping law enforcement.

JD, isn't that what the bill passing through Congress would do?

Here we go. Yes, women’s rights.

We're ~25 minutes in, and so far I would say this debate is close, but Walz is edging out Vance. He's not as polished, but he's coming across as more genuine, and he's directly answering.

The borders aren’t open, you numpty twat. Just keep lying.

Waltz really just needed to say "I goofed." And moved on. That was embarrassing.

here we go. hold onto your buts.

“Shortage” more like venture capitalism and artificially limiting supply.

Call ing out Vance’s disdain for trump, good

First question is about the Middle East and Iran's attack on Israel. Walz is talking about how we need steady leadership for dealing with that, contrasting it with Trump.

Started a little stumbly, but already seems to be finding his footing.

I love vance pointing out that maybe they don't want to be with their baby after its born.

Remember that Walz by his own admission is "bad at debates" and that Vance is (an admittedly insane) Yale law school graduate. Walz has done few difficult interviews, almost every mainstream interview Vance has done has been difficult because he has to defend Trump. I just think it's important to have realistic expectations.

I'm honestly not sure what to expect, but I imagine Vance will seem like a more polished politician and debater. He is awkward and supports ugly things, but he doesn't seem to get goaded easily. If Walz can summon his "everydad" persona effectively to make it appear like there's a normal candidate and weird candidate up there and use his knack for a folksy phrase or comeback, that will probably be the "takeaway."

Due to the format, these debates have kind of turned into tiktok video farming events, so let's see who gets the most meme-able sound bytes. Let the games begin.

Not being “used” maybe the wildlife needs it?

now vance is trying to make it that its the democrats who don't believe in climate change. His argument is ridiculous given the signature ombudsman bill.

exactly . Trump wants issues to run on, not solutions. We just saw this as he tried to manipulate the senate to not fix things so he’d have the problem to rail against and run on. This is anti-American.

Walz pointing out that Trump jokes about big storms creating more beachfront property.

Why always do this crap, where they act like they're not going to let just babble at their leisure and then they just do it anyway.

I will say, I'm enjoying this debate more than I thought I would, simply because the moderators seem competent and both debaters are behaving like actual adults, even if Vance is a makeup-wearing Yale-bot.

Springfield Ohio.

Please bring up cats and dogs. You know you want to. Fucking racist.

woohoo. walz brought up the bill and how its doing the things vance is suggested they are not doing. looking good.

"I'm rootin' for you." What? Rooting for me to do what?

"We're the cleanest economy in the entire world." What the fuck does that mean?

Walz is friends with school shooters? Lol whoops

There it is, "I don't know the details. But let me tell you about my kids again"

Here we go, reproductive rights.

Walz directly quoting Trump's promises about the wall, including the "Mexico will pay for it."

woohoo. vance. lets just say its true carbon emissions cause global warming. lets just say.

"You said you wouldn't call me out on my bullshit!" - JD

Dude, you admit to lying about stuff.

No one’s answering the question.