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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They never stopped being the nasty party.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The statement implies they apparently experienced a fleeting realisation that they were the nasty party... When that moment was is anyone's guess, as they've never changed their actions based on that information.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

And it was said by Theresa May, who went on to lead the party after it remained nasty...

A conservatives idea of "nasty" is polling poorly and losing elections; nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Ah so history is just a circle.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bit of an understatement to worry about being the "nasty" party when you're actively murdering people in their own homes by choking benefits and allowing companies to price gouge us, as well as selling the country off to the highest bidder you doddering old cunts.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While also demonising immigrants and deporting them to some African country.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Well there's no danger of that. They can't even get them into a boat in our own country.

And the plan is Ascension Island now apparently, although it might as well be the fucking moon for how feasible it is.

All to avoid doing paperwork and actually processing them like everyone else seems able to.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago

Risk?

Again?

I see everything's been covered already. Good job everyone, see you next week.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The risk of us being tarnished then as the nasty party again, I think, becomes very real.

I understand that this is more aimed at moderate conservatives but still... Isn't it just a wee bit late to be realising this?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah shit, too late? But only by a few minutes, right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

"If we're quick with a response, maybe no-one will have noticed - right chums?"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i havent understood why labour hasnt been pushing the 'nasty party' line for the last few years tbh

their policies are objectively nasty

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Two possibilities:

  1. It would be ineffective and so pointless.

  2. It would be effective, but then once Labour get into power and implement something vaguely Tory (or can be spun to be a bad thing), the Conservatives will conveniently ignore the fact that they would have implemented something similar and start saying "well who's the Nasty party now?" followed by jeers. And since, in this scenario, it was effective for Labour ousting the Tories, there's a strong chance it'll cause a swing back the other way next time.

Secret third possibility: Something something Blairite something something Blue Labour something something people sharing a glass house, etc. (Frankly at this point we have a choice of frying pan or fire and staying in this pan isn't doing us any good. Time to give the fire a go I reckon. Maybe the embers will glow red.)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Again? When did that ever change?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Again? When did they stop?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Agreed. Also, how is your username so big?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

No shit... 13 years of the country run to absolute exhaustion and you're still not sure how to read the room boys and girls?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks for saving me the effort of posting this

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

The disguise never fooled us all. Some of us could always see them as what they are...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

They are slow aren't they?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Never changed, this guy must be coming off a 30 year crack binge to miss that one.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I can assure you that I've been seeing them as the nasty party uninterruptedly for the last forty years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I think that boat has sailed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Fingers on the pulse, I see.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

They already are. I don't really think they ever lost that reputation, except maybe briefly under Cameron.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Cabinet ministers are now said to be among those expecting the party to back quitting the European convention on human rights (ECHR) as part of its next election manifesto, should their plan to deport migrants to Rwanda be blocked in court.

Tory supporters of staying inside the ECHR are taking comfort from the fact that just three months ago, Sunak endorsed the convention at a meeting of European leaders.

While No 10 sources said they believed their migration plans could be achieved inside the ECHR, the prime minister is expected to come under renewed pressure to back leaving the European court of human rights when MPs return to the Commons next month.

The news comes with other senior moderate Tories signalling they will battle to stop the party veering further to the right on culture war issues, or using green policies as a dividing line with Labour.

In an interview with theObserver, Andy Street, the West Midlands mayor and the most senior Tory outside London, said he and others needed to show their brand of Conservatism would be electorally successful.

Our new stop the boats bill will play an important part in our effort to break the cycle, end exploitation by gangs and prevent further loss of life.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Weren't they the nasty party in Dec 2019? I don't think the British public cares. The cruelty IS the point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They had me at "risk".